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17 December 2024

Norman Finkelstein Seems to Have Been Stung by My Criticisms into Responding with an Infantile E-Mail

You Cannot Call BDS a ‘Cult’, Support the Existence of an Apartheid State & Attack the Slogan of the Movement ‘Palestine Must be Free’ & Expect To be Worshipped Like An Ancient God



Norman Finkelstein has been a remarkable analyst and critic but he has also acted like a bull in a china shop.

Finkelstein’s demolition of the fraudulent Joan Peter’s From Time Immemorial, which claimed that it was the Zionist settlement which attracted the Palestinians to Palestine and that there were therefore no refugees, was a classic example of how to deconstruct an opponent’s argument. To say that Finkelstein demolished Peters and her wretched book, whilst swimming against the tide of favourable reviews in all the mainstream press, the NYT included, is an understatement.

When Daniel Goldhagen wrote the execrable ‘The Germans: Hitler’s Willing Executioners’ which said that the Germans killed Jews because they were a particularly sadistic and cruel nation, Finkelstein tore him to pieces. So devastating was his criticism that Goldhagen threatened him with libel initially, rather than reply to the substance of the criticism.


Holocaust Industry

Finkelstein’s Holocaust Industry, helped change the debate over the weaponisation of the memory of the holocaust but it nonetheless refrained from drawing any conclusions about the relations between the Zionists and the Nazis which are surely relevant to the Zionists’ exploitation of the holocaust?

The pre-eminent holocaust scholar Raul Hilberg, author of the Destruction of European Jews was a ‘strong supporter’ of Finkelstein. Finkelstein savaged the Zionist Jewish Claims Conference which has embezzled millions of dollars, intended for the holocaust survivors, for the Zionists’ pet projects (as well as engaging in more mundane corruption).

This was all too much for the Socialist Workers’ Party resident guru, Professor Alex Callinicos [Finkelstein and the holocaust] who declared, in a review which, more than anything, demonstrated that the SWP is incapable of a serious analysis of anti-Semitism today or how the holocaust has been used to undermine Palestine solidarity.

How different is his assertion that “the field of Holocaust studies is replete with nonsense, if not plain fraud” from the Holocaust revisionist David Irving’s rantings during his recent libel case?... so exaggerated is his polemic that at times he comes, quite contrary to his own intentions, dangerously close to giving comfort to those who dream of new holocausts.

Perhaps this is one reason why the SWP front organisation, Stand Up to Racism, continues to march with genocidal Zionist organisations like Glasgow Friends of Israel.

The misnamed Zionist group Honest Reporting was more than happy to take advantage of Finkelstein's attack on BDS as were other Zionists

Finkelstein is not an anti-Zionist

I say all this because Finkelstein has one major flaw. And it’s not just an overweening ego. Finkelstein is not an anti-Zionist nor is he a socialist, despite once having been a Maoist. His support for a 2 State Solution, which he has never disavowed, is based on the myth of the ‘International Community’ which is nothing more than an attempt to cloak the interests of US imperialism in a democratic garb. His faith in International Law as the arbiter of relations between states and nations has been shown to be hollow with the genocide in Gaza.

Gaza has demonstrated that international law is unable to prevent Israel from committing genocide in Gaza because it has no enforcement mechanism. As long as Israel is backed by the United States it can and does act with impunity. International law can’t even prevent states like Germany and Britain supplying arms for the genocide.

Finkelstein is erratic in that he took a correct position on the 7th October attack by the Palestinian Resistance, namely that it was akin to a slave revolt against their masters, but he refused to draw the necessary conclusion that the slaves destroyed the institution of slavery where they could (Haiti) because it was incompatible with their own freedom and liberty.

Norman has consistently supported the continued existence of the Israeli state and played down its supremacist and apartheid nature. That's what support for 2 States means.


Finkelstein's Opposition to the slogan 'From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' echoes what the Zionists say

In his interview with the Guardian, Finkelstein made plain his disagreement with the slogan ‘Palestine will be free, from the river to the sea’ when he said:

“What do you mean by Palestine will be free? Do you mean there is no room for Israel?”

But then he went on to say something even more interesting.

 “Palestine will be free” can also mean something else. It can fit into what’s called the settler colonial framework, which basically says, “Settlers do not have legitimate rights to the land. The land belongs to those who are ‘Indigenous’ to it. And everybody else, at most, can live there on the sufferance of the Indigenous majority, or they have to pack up and leave.” And the reason that slogan is ambiguous is because the movement is ambiguous about what its goal is. And if you try to remove the ambiguity, you risk breaking up the movement.

Finkelstein did not say this to the encampment at Columbia University. At Columbia he beat about the bush and was vague and waffled on about strategic goals. He didn’t say ‘what about Israel’ there because he knows the reception that would have got. As soon as he had he finished speaking the students broke into the very slogan that he was trying to get them to disavow! Clearly his argument was not very convincing.

What Finkelstein said in his Guardian interview is that he doesn’t agree with the settler-colonial framing that apparently sees Israel as a product of western colonialism and imperialism and in which the settlers have no rights. What Finkelstein is doing is deliberately distorting and caricaturing the settler-colonial paradigm. It does not say that the settlers don’t have legitimate rights to the land. That was never said in South Africa, quite the contrary. What it said was that the settlers were entitled to live as equals with the indigenous and that is what Palestinians say today.  Although to be blunt I wouldn’t blame Palestinians for saying for example that the neo-Nazi settlers on the West Bank should fuck off back home.

What the settler colonial framework does say is that the settlers’ rights are no greater than those who are indigenous to the land and they have to jettison their belief that they are superior. All of this Finkelstein disparages and distorts.

In essence Finkelstein is a liberal democrat. That is why he is so fond of the reactionary Mahatma Ghandi whose acceptance of communal electorates helped pave the way for Partition and the present day Hindu Supremacist state of India and the permanent military dictatorship of Pakistan. 

Finkelstein isn’t prepared to say that Israel is a settler colonial state that has got to go. On the contrary he admires the early Zionists, the kibbutzim, their ‘idealism’, the ‘austere life’ and the ‘rugged individualism’ of the early Labour Zionist settlers. This isn’t a matter of speculation. It is what he wrote in correspondence to me.

It is unfortunate that Finkelstein, who is very close politically to Noam Chomsky, who himself has never disavowed Zionism, hasn’t made his position clear on Zionism and the continued existence of a Jewish State. When Finkelstein calls Israel a ‘lunatic’ or ‘satanic’ state what he is doing is saying that the genocide it is carrying out today and the expansion now in Syria isn’t on account of Zionism but relates to the ‘thuggish’ messianic vision of Netanyahu as an individual.




Susan Abulhawa & the Oxford Union Debate 

Susan Abulhawa, who made that brilliant speech at the Oxford Union debate on November 28, which was won by 278-59, was highly critical of Finkelstein’s behaviour for many of the same reasons as I've given. Susan wrote:

Finkelstein decided to back out ostensibly because Morris wasn't coming, but in reality, I think he didn't want to be overshadowed by actual Palestinians who can speak more cogently and eloquently than him on the matters pertaining to our own lives, on which he claims expertise, almost exclusively. Norman is a star and shall be treated as a star. Therefore, he demanded to have his own Oxford Union session, undiluted with the voices of pesky Palestinians. That left a gaping hole in the opposition's side, which could not be filled on such short notice. That's why the president of the union, Ebrahim Osman-Mowafy stepped in....

Norman Finkelstein had his own event the following day and everyone fawned over our white American savior. Yes, I'm angry. Norman came to be invited because I suggested he be there to have an academic counterweight to Morris. Rather than supporting Palestinians, he withdrew, apparently because he's too special and important.

The Spires of Oxford

However it wasn’t Finkelstein’s event the next day which made a political impact but the Oxford Union Debate which the pro-Palestinian side won by 4-1. Given that he had been invited at Susan’s suggestion his failure to co-ordinate tactics with her is indicative of his individualistic and egotistical approach when it comes to being part of a collective movement.

Finkelstein's Infantile E-mail

It was because of my recent blog in which I called on Finkelstein to ‘Stop Undermining the Global Movement in Support of the Palestinians’ and then a subsequent challenge by me to debate his objections to the Palestine Must be Free slogan (which he declined) that he sent me an infantile email. I guess I should be amused at finding out how thin Norman’s skin is!

Norman’s email was notionally in response to a circular I sent to people advertising a webinar on December 3, How Anti-Semitism has Complemented Zionism in which Tony Lerman, Barnaby Raine, Michael Richmond and myself spoke. Norman wrote:

I’m tempted to ask readers of my book to email Finkelstein (normfinkelstein@gmail.com/norm6344@gmail.com) to disabuse him of his belief! However that would be to respond in kind.

All I can say is that it’s clear that Finkelstein was stung by my criticisms and  instead of debating it out as we have done before, our usually loquacious academic pundit responded with a temper tantrum. Clearly Finkelstein finds it difficult to defend his opposition to the slogan without having to defend his other views such as the two state solution.

Below is my letter to Finkelstein.

Tony Greenstein

2 February 2022

An Occasional Letter to an Old Friend, Sir Keith Stürmer QC

Congratulations. Even Boris Couldn’t Match Your Chutzpah 

I have known Sir Keith Stürmer ever since I was at law school. So you can imagine how I felt when he was the first MP to welcome my expulsion 4 years ago with a one word tweet ‘good’. Keith was never one to waste words except when spending one and a half hours telling us about his family in his speech to Labour Party conference.

So you can imagine how I felt when Keith sent me a personal letter asking  for some cash. Naturally I was over the moon that Keith had reached out to me again and I felt that the least I could do was pen him a short letter offering him some advice. Please keep this confidential as I don’t want to be expelled again when I rejoin the party next February!

Tony Greenstein

 Letter to Sir Keith

Dear Keith,

It’s always good to hear from an old friend, even one who welcomed my expulsion. Let it never be said of me that I bear a grudge. I know how difficult it must be to turn around the good ship Labour if it to become acceptable again to the British Establishment.

I know you will appreciate frankness and honesty from an old friend. After all it’s more than you will get from Rachel Reeves and Angela Rayner as they plot to stab you in your back (or in the case of Jess Philips from the front).

I have to confess that I was somewhat hurt, given our longstanding friendship, to read your tweet four years ago. For a man not known for his way with words, your one word response, ‘good’ to my expulsion was very hurtful. However that is water under the bridge.

It was with some surprise that I received your begging email asking me to part with some of the benefits you intend to cut. Apparently you are in some form of financial crisis. It is very unfortunate that because of all the resignations and expulsions that you have lost all this money, to say nothing of all the legal expenses incurred when they protest.

That is what comes of relying on the advice of the Prince of Darkness (Mandelson). He never did have much of a clue when it came to money, especially when it belonged to someone else. From what I recall he had to resign, not once but twice, over some shady loans from a Labour MP Geoff Robinson whose affairs he was suppose to be investigating.

But I want to congratulate you nonetheless. You have single handedly redefined that old Yiddish word, ‘Chutzpah’. As you may know Chutzpah applies to a boy who, having killed both his parents asks for mercy from the courts because he is now an orphan!

It seems that you are now asking me for money in order that you can expel more people like me. Surely you can wait till my 5 year expulsion is up before I’m readmitted to the Party next February in order that I can be expelled again? Or is the situation so desperate that can’t you wait?

Don’t get me wrong Keith. I fully understand your problem. The more people you expel the less money the Labour Party has to expel people with. The answer is obvious. Why don’t you ask those who are expelled to make a contribution to their own expulsions or set up an expulsion fund and ask our friends in the City if they might consider contributing?

You could for example, when sending an expulsion letter, include a paragraph explaining how expensive it is to expel people and asking if they would mind contributing.

I know that history is not one your stronger points so I thought it might be of some help if I provided you with a precedent in case anyone questions my brilliant idea.

In October 1941 the Nazis began deporting Jews from Germany. However they ran into a problem. The trains they hired cost money, as the Reichsbahn charged per passenger mile. Not only that but they had to pay good money in order to seize them as many Jews refused to come willingly. What were they to do?

In stepped Paul Eppstein of the Reichsvereinigung, the Jewish Council (Judenrat), which the Nazis had appointed. Eppstein, like all Council members was a Zionist. Why not, Eppstein suggested to the Gestapo get the Jews to pay for their own deportation? After all it made sense. Why should they get a free trip to holiday destinations such as Riga, Minsk, Kaunas or Lodz? Sure they were not likely to live very long but that was no reason not to pay their way. You can read the details in Raul Hilberg’s Destruction of the European Jews (p.486). You’re not known as Herr Stürmer for nothing.

Expelling people doesn’t come cheap. It was barely a year ago that you hired Assaf Kaplan, the Israeli spy, in order to streamline the business of spying on members and make it more efficient. I know his official title was ‘social listening and organising manager’ but I think we all know what ‘social listening’ really is – eavesdropping!!

Assaf Kaplan - Israeli spies don't come cheap

I must confess that I am impressed with Kaplan. Only last week that well-known troublemaker, Roger Silverman (another Jew expelled in the fight against anti-Semitism) called a meeting of shadow CLPs. There were just 20 of us discussing how to get rid of you and what would you know? One of the 20, camera turned off of course, was Kaplan’ spy. And within a couple of days a Notice of Investigation was emailed to a woman, let us call her Jane. Apparently it’s her third such Notice, which I have to say is extremely wasteful of resources. Can’t these expulsions be streamlined?

At the risk of being accused of anti-Semitism it seems to me that there are lots of good historical precedents to the political (I nearly said ‘ethnic’) cleansing that is so necessary if we are to form a safe (for capitalism) alternative to the Tories. If the Establishment  aren’t going to object to you forming a government and becoming PM then we have to prove that we can be trusted not to tax their ill-gotten gains, I mean hard-earned income.

And to do that we have to employ lots of extra staff, whilst saying goodbye to staff trying to recruit members. After all members are more trouble than they are worth as Rachel so wisely observed.

If Labour is going to be trusted then it is essential that you keep close tabs on the members, most of whom voted for that Corbyn fellow. Paying people to become informers has a long and noble history. Why Anne Frank would still be around today if the Gestapo had been squeamish about their methods. You can’t afford to be sentimental.

But first a few words of advice from an old friend. I fully understand why you had to pretend to be continuity Corbyn and issue those 10 Pledges. But do you still have to have them on your website? 

We are not going to win over many friends in high places with promises to increase income tax for the top 5% or reverse cuts in Corporation Tax. And ending “the Tories’ cruel sanctions regime” is the kind of thing Corbyn would have said.

As for “No more illegal wars. Introduce a Prevention of Military Intervention Act.” How does that square with talk of waging war against Russia. And as for ‘Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and water”. We all know you didn’t mean it so why is it still there? And Strengthen(ing) workers’ rights and trade unions’ sounds a bit too much like Corbyn. What are you going to do at the next election when you promise that nothing will change and the Tories then start quoting from your Pledges? Take my advice and be shot of them now. You have to appease Momentum types now!

And then there is anti-Semitism. You promised to root it out but it seems you and David Evans have barely started. To be blunt there are still too many Jews (of the wrong kind of course) in the party. Can’t you proscribe anyone who is Jewish unless they prove they are a Zionist?

Speaking of which another problem has surfaced. It’s all very well expelling people who call Israel an Apartheid State but one of those annoying human rights groups, Amnesty International, has just issued a report saying that Israel was an Apartheid state.

My advice is to make Amnesty International a proscribed organisation. Anyone who is a member or supporter is out on their ears. What would Louise Ellman say if she knew that these bleeding heart liberals were still around?

My advice to you Keith is to be bold and taken no prisoners.  Follow the example of the Jewish State. Shoot first and ask questions later.

With all best wishes,

Tony