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18 December 2024

On Thursday I will be Charged Under the Terrorism Act 2000 with Expressing an “Opinion or Belief” that the Government doesn’t like – We are sleepwalking into an Orwellian Police State

 Of One Thing We Can Be Certain – This is Not About Fighting Terrorism but Suppressing Freedom of Speech


I hope to see you on Thursday morning at 9.45 a.m. outside Westminster Magistrates Court, 1818 Marleybone Road, London NW1 5BR.

I would also ask you, if you can afford it, to contribute to my Crowdfunding Appeal Stopping the Police Persecuting Palestine Solidarity Activists.

On December 20 2023 my home was raided at 7 a.m. in the morning by South-East Counter-Terrorist Police who informed me that I was being arrested on suspicion of committing an offence under s.12(1)A of the Terrorism Act 2000.

This is what Starmer and Lammy Support By Approving Arms Sales 

What you may ask was my offence? Planting or conspiracy to plant a bomb? Assassinating war criminals Starmer and Lammy? Not a bit of it. The Police referred to a tweet I had posted a month before which expressed support for Palestinian Resistance in its fight against Israel’s genocidal occupation of Gaza.

I understand that the charge that has now been laid relates to a blog which I posted on October 7, Full Support for the Gaza Ghetto Uprising. Its subtitle referred to the hypocrisy of Biden & those who support Ukrainian resistance but condemn Palestinian resistance.

I referred to the Commander of the Warsaw ghetto resistance, Marek Edelman, who compared their resistance with that of the Palestinians. This is not of course a message that is welcome to the British state.

Despite the BBC and British press commenting favourably on the Syrian Jihadists of the HTS, who are still proscribed, there have been no arrests!

There can be no doubt about the intention of s.12(1A) of the Terrorism Act. It states quite clearly:

A person commits an offence if the person (a) expresses an opinion or belief that is supportive of a proscribed organisation, and (b) in doing so is reckless as to whether a person to whom the expression is directed will be encouraged to support a proscribed organisation.

The word ‘supportive’ is a weasel word. It is intentionally ambiguous or misleading. If what you say about a proscribed organisation is at all positive, that can be held to be supportive, regardless of whether it is true or not. This legislation deliberately embeds lies into British law.


The result is that when writing an article you must look over your shoulder in case what you write might offend the Zionist lobby which may report you to the Thought Police. This is the stuff of 1984. We are sleep walking into an Orwellian Dystopia. It cannot help but chill freedom of speech and is clearly contrary to Article 10 of the European Convention of Human Rights which guarantees the right of freedom of speech and expression.

William Tyndale died at the stake because the state disapproved of what he said

The second part of s.12(1A) criminalises the expression of an opinion or belief if the person is reckless as to its effect on someone who reads it. This is the stuff of police states. Recklessness forms part of the mens rea in criminal cases such as gross negligence manslaughter. Where the defendant was aware of the risks involved but nonetheless pursued a particular course of conduct and someone died they may be held liable. It is known as Cunningham recklessness.

Such a test is completely inappropriate when it comes to someone’s opinion or belief. We are not dealing with any fatal consequences. What is really intended is that you should keep your mouth shut when talking about a group that the government doesn’t like, which it defines as ‘terrorist’ or else face the consequences.

In the case of the expression of one’s opinion nothing need happen but you are held to be reckless as to whether someone might support the said organisation. Only a liar and a bully like Priti Patel could introduce such a clause into law.

I must confess that when I write an article, I hope that this is not used in evidence against me (!), I don’t think of consequences in terms of what my readers might do. I wonder if people understand the points I’m making, I wonder how many hits it may get and what readers think of the article but as regards what they might do? Nothing. Only a police state could think of introducing such a subjective law.

There is the question of what is or is not terrorism. Section 1 of the Terrorism Act defines terrorism as the use or threat of violence designed to influence a government. This is completely inappropriate when applied to a resistance or anti-colonial movement. Israel is not the government of Gaza. It is an occupying power whose occupation has just been ruled illegal by the highest court in the world, the International Court of Justice. Since the occupation is illegal how can resistance to it anything other than legal?

Subsection 2 of Section 1 states that the action must involve serious violence to a person, serious damage to property, endanger a person’s life, create a serious danger to health and safety and be designed to interfere with or seriously disrupt an electronic system. These provisions are not what most people call terrorism.

The irony is that the Israeli state itself played a key role in the formation of Hamas

Damage to property, health and safety or the disruption of electronic systems have their own criminal offences. There is no need to invoke the use of terrorism unless there are hidden motives and specific political objectives in mind. It is, after all, highly unlikely that a company which puts its workers at risk will be charged with terrorism, though it would be nice if they were!

Thatcher and Reagan both described the African National Congress as a terrorist organisation. If this law had been in operation back in the 1970s and 80s then support for the overthrow of Apartheid in South Africa would have been a criminal offence. Indeed support for any anti-colonial movement that used violence against the occupier would have been ‘terrorism’. This is the law of the occupier, the racist, the imperialist. It is no wonder that Starmer and Attorney General Hermer and his Zionist Deputy Sarah Sackman are so happy to use it.

Today the law is being used by the institutionally racist Metropolitan Police to attack the Kurdish community in London who largely support the PKK (Kurdish Workers Party) who are conducting a struggle against the semi-fascist Turkish state of Recep Erdogan. Erdogan is trying to ban and has severely harassed the HDP, which obtained 6 million votes at the last election.

The ban on the PKK in effect means supporting Erdogan, who has been waging his own genocidal war in Kurdistan, which Turkey occupies. It is another example of how this so-called anti-terrorist law is being used to support colonial oppression and fascism. See Banning the pro-Kurdish HDP in Turkey is a move towards fascism.

Terrorism is quite simple to define. It is the use of violence against civilian populations by groups which have no mass base, the intention of which is to coerce or frighten them. The Israeli state is the classic example of a terrorist organisation. ISIS and Al Qaeda similarly. Neither ISIS or Al Qaeda have any mass base and have never been elected by anyone.  That is why they send people to Europe to commit random acts of mass murder such as at the attack on the Bataclan in Paris when 130 people died and hundreds were injured.

Hamas, Hezbollah and the PKK are entirely different organisations from ISIS. They operate within the territory of their own countries. They have never planted bombs in this country. Hamas was elected in 2006 by the majority of Palestinians. However the US and Israel didn’t like the result so they ignored it and in 2007 Gaza was subject to a suffocating siege and repeated attacks on it which Israel’s military called ‘mowing the lawn’. Thousands died in these attacks but to reptiles like Starmer and Lammy Palestinian deaths are of no consequence. Assassinated Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin stated in 1992  that “I would like Gaza to sink into the sea, but that won’t happen, and a solution must be found”.


Anti-colonial resistance struggles are lawful under international law. The Additional Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949 include the protection of peoples fighting against colonial domination and occupation and against racist rĂ©gimes in the exercise of their right of self-determination.  Likewise UN General Assembly Resolution 3314 (XXIX) confirms that those living under colonial domination have the right to struggle to remove that occupation.

Nothing in this Definition, and in particular article 3, could in any way prejudice the right to self-determination, freedom and independence, as derived from the Charter, of peoples forcibly deprived of that right and referred to in the Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, particularly peoples under colonial and racist regimes or other forms of alien domination: nor the right of these peoples to struggle to that end and to seek and receive support, in accordance with the principles of the Charter and in conformity with the above-mentioned Declaration.

International law and the Conventions in question are part of British law. See Do Palestinians have the right to resist, and what are the limits?

Furthermore, the Additional Protocol 1 to the Geneva Conventions (1977), to which Palestine acceded in 2014 (joining over 160 countries), in its Article 1(4), classifies conflicts in which peoples are fighting against alien occupation and racist regimes as armed conflicts. Individuals engaging in such “fighting,” if captured, should be afforded the status of prisoners of war, meaning their fighting is legitimate.

To those who argue that Hamas, Hezbollah and the PKK have no right to resist Israel militarily, I point them to Stanley Cohen’s Palestinians have a legal right to armed struggle Al Jazeera 27.7.16. Cohen points out that the Israeli state was born in blood and fire. Its terrorism makes Hamas seem like amateurs:

On April 12, 1938, the Irgun murdered two British police officers in a train bombing in Haifa. On August 26, 1939, two British officers were killed by an Irgun landmine in Jerusalem. On February 14, 1944, two British constables were shot dead when they attempted to arrest people for pasting up wall posters in Haifa. On September 27, 1944, more than 100 members of the Irgun attacked four British police stations, injuring hundreds of officers. Two days later a senior British police officer of the Criminal Intelligence Department was assassinated in Jerusalem.

On November 1, 1945, another police officer was killed as five trains were bombed. On December 27, 1945, seven British officers lost their lives in a bombing on police headquarters in Jerusalem. Between November 9 and 13, 1946, Jewish “underground” members launched a series of landmine and suitcase bomb attacks in railway stations, trains, and streetcars, killing 11 British soldiers and policemen and eight Arab constables.

Four more officers were murdered in another attack on a police headquarters on January 12, 1947. Nine months later, four British police were murdered in an Irgun bank robbery and, but three days later, on September 26, 1947, an additional 13 officers were  killed in yet another terrorist attack on a British police station.  

Throughout this period, Jewish terrorists also undertook countless attacks that spared no part of the British and Palestinian infrastructure. Numerous attacks were carried out against the oil industry including one, in March 1947, on a Shell oil refinery in Haifa which destroyed some 16,000 tonnes of petroleum.

Zionist terrorists killed British soldiers throughout Palestine, using booby traps, ambushes, snipers, and vehicle blasts.

In 1947, the Irgun kidnapped two British Army Intelligence Corps non-commissioned officers and threathened to hang them if death sentences of three of their own members were carried out. When these three Irgun members were executed by hanging, the two British sergeants were hanged in retaliation and their booby-trapped bodies were left in an eucalyptus grove.

In announcing their execution, the Irgun said that the two British soldiers were hanged following their conviction for “criminal anti-Hebrew activities” which included: illegal entry into the Hebrew homeland and membership in a British criminal terrorist organisation – known as the Army of Occupation – which was “responsible for the torture, murder, deportation, and denying the Hebrew people the right to live”. The soldiers were also charged with illegal possession of arms, anti-Jewish spying in civilian clothes, and premeditated hostile designs against the underground (pdf).

Well beyond the territorial confines of Palestine, in late 1946-47 a continuing campaign of terrorism was directed at the British. Acts of sabotage were carried out on British military transportation routes in Germany.  The Lehi also tried, unsuccessfully, to drop a bomb on the House of Commons from a chartered plane flown from France and, in October 1946, bombed the British Embassy in Rome. A number of other explosive devices were detonated in and around strategic targets in London. Some 21 letter bombs were addressed, at various times, to senior British political figures. Many were intercepted, while others reached their targets but were discovered before they could go off.

Of course the British press, both locally and nationally, refuse to see that charges under the Terrorism Act have any connection with such subversive ideas as freedom of speech. Terrorism charge over man's online comments was the BBC headline on my arrest. The headline in the Brighton Argus was Brighton man charged with terror offences over Hamas comments and Tony Greenstein charged with terrorism offence.

There are some who will say that it was the Palestinian resistance that breached international law when they seized Israeli captives and took them back to Gaza in order to exchange them for Palestinian captives. If this is unlawful under international law then so is the holding of 10,000+ Palestinians in Israeli captivity. A third of them have had no trial at all and the remainder are ‘convicted’ in Israeli Military Courts which have a 99.74% conviction rate.

We should also bear in mind, although our pitiful press won’t inform people of this, that Israel has regularly captured hostages to exchange for its own prisoners. The ‘liberal’ President of the Israeli High Court Aharon Barak held in 1997 that

a detention is legal if it is designed to promote State security, even if the danger to State Security does not emanate from the detainees themselves.

and that “detention ... for the purpose of release of ... captured and missing soldiers is a vital interest to the State.”

Tony Greenstein

1 July 2023

‘Zionism During the Holocaust’ – 6 Months After Release – You Can Now Order it for £10 (paperback) or £15 (hardback) email tonygreenstein104@gmail.com

Despite Libelling Ken Loach over Perdition – the Zionists Do Not Want to Discuss their Record During the Holocaust or their Relations with the Nazis because it is 'anti-Semitic'

Channel 4 Debate on Perdition

Given my recent conviction in a trial of Palestine Action activists and the possibility of being imprisoned I wish to sell my remaining copies of Zionism During the Holocaust as quickly as possible! I am therefore offering them for sale at cost price. Prices from the bookshops and Amazon are 50% higher! For those interested please contact me at tonygreenstein104@gmail.com

Secondly it is remarkable that the only criticism of my book from the Zionists has come from ex-Jewish Chronicle hack Jenni Frazer, now writing for Jewish News.

In a piece, written over a year before my book came out and just after the Zionists had successfully pressurised Crowdfunder to take down my crowdfunder, Frazer compared me to Netanyahu:

One is an egregious and avid Jewish antisemite, the Brighton-based Tony Greenstein. And the other is the former Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Without reading a word of the book Frazer confidently writes that ‘the book does honestly just sound dreadful. …’ I guess it must be dreadful for Zionist propagandists (which is what ‘journalists’ for the Zionist press are) to read the truth for once. Frazer described how:

A martyred Greenstein blames “the Zionist bookburners” for the demise of his Crowdfunder appeal, asking: “What is the difference between Joseph Goebbels and the Zionist lobby? Answer: Goebbels burnt books after they were printed. The Zionists try to burn the books before they are printed”. Gosh, how witty…. ‘

[thanks Jenny that is almost a compliment! - TG]

Anyone who is the least bit tempted [to support the Crowdfunding Appeal] ought perhaps to know that disgraced former MP Chris Williamson, who was suspended from Labour over allegations of antisemitism (and then resigned from the party before he was expelled) is an admirer of Greenstein’s and has urged people to donate.

I ought perhaps to add… that in criticising Netanyahu I do not question his true and lasting love of Israel. I just question his methodology. What he and Greenstein have in common, I am afraid, is an overweening sense of self and rightness. Neither is attractive.

Clearly Jenny thought that associating the ‘disgraced (in whose eyes?) MP Chris Williamson’ with my book would prove detrimental.

I mention all this because the book has been selling extremely well. The reviews have all been favourable and it is given a score of 4.8 out of 5 on Amazon.

40 years ago when Lenni Brenner brought out the first book on Zionist-Nazi Collaboration, Zionism During the Dictators, the Zionist propaganda machine got to work and there was actually a debate in the pages of the Jewish Chronicle. Today the only debates in the JC are between right-wing and even further right Zionists.

4 years later Ken Loach produced Perdition, a play by Jim Allen. Perdition was based on a libel trial in Israel brought by Rudolf Kasztner, the former leader of Hungarian Zionism, against a holocaust survivor who accused him of collaboration. Kasztner had reached a deal with Eichmann for a train out of Hungary for the Zionist elite. In return he and his followers collaborated with the Nazis in the deportation of nearly half a million Hungarian Jews.

The Kasztner Train

Kasztner failed in his action and Israel’s government fell as a result. It is a trial that the Zionist movement doesn’t like to talk about today because the facts of the case are so clear. Even many Zionists now accept that Kasztner was a collaborator but that hasn’t stopped the attacks against Ken Loach.

Why then have the Zionists, who normally don’t hesitate to attack anything that upsets them, like the film ‘Oh Jeremy Corbyn – The Big Lie’ kept so quiet?

The obvious, indeed the only, reason is simply that the Zionists got badly burned first time around by Brenner’s book and then Perdition. The evidence, not only of collaboration with the Nazis but active efforts by the Zionists to prevent Jewish refugees being rescued, is so great that this is a debate that they simply don’t want to get into.

The Perdition affair led to a heated debate on Channel 4 which pitted Brenner, Alan and Marion Woolfson against 3 Zionist propagandists. By common acclaim the Zionists lost and lost badly.

The usual Zionist response to allegations of collaboration with the Nazis is, as their faithful pet Owen Jones repeats, that such accusations are equivalent to saying that the Jews murdered themselves (see No, Jews did not collaborate in their own genocide).

This is as absurd as saying that to speak of Quisling is to suggest that all Norwegians collaborated in their own occupation. Quisling represented a tiny minority of Norway's population and likewise the Zionists were a tiny minority of the German Jewish population. Everywhere in the Jewish world the Zionists were in a minority.

No one is suggesting that the Jews collaborated with the Nazis but that the Zionist leadership did. Once again people like Owen Jones conflate Zionist with being Jewish and then go on to blame us for their own anti-Semitism!  The fact that only 2% of German Jews were Zionists in 1933 escape these apologists for Apartheid.

But the record is very clear. As Ben Gurion told the Executive of Mapai (forerunner of the Israeli Labor Party) on 9 December 1938:

If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel.[1]

Jewish synagogue set alight during the Kristallnacht pogrom

This was in the context of the Kristallnacht pogrom of November 9-10 1938 which shocked the world. The British Government agreed to let 10,000 German Jewish children into Britain and the Zionists bitterly opposed it.

According to Zionist ‘logic’ if refugees from Nazi Germany could be saved by going to any country other than Palestine then they would simply recreate anti-Semitism there. In his founding pamphlet, The Jewish State Theodor Herzl had written that the Jews:

…naturally move to those places where we are not persecuted and there our presence produces persecution…. The unfortunate Jews are now carrying Anti-Semitism into England; they have already introduced it into America.

If countries other than Palestine could save the Jews then what was the point of having a Jewish state?  It is hard to argue with this logic.

Victor Orban, anti-Semitic Hungarian Prime Minister tours Yad Vashem, Israel's  Holocaust Propaganda Museum like so many other anti-Semites and neo-Nazis before him

My book makes a number of points about the Zionist record before, during and after the holocaust.

i.              Until the Holocaust, which was seen as the defeat of the Jewish diaspora, Zionism was in a minority in every Jewish community.

ii.           From its inception the Zionist movement agreed with the anti-Semites that Jews did not belong in the countries of their birth. They also understood that without anti-Semitism there wouldn’t be enough Jewish immigrants to make a future Jewish state viable.

iii.        That anti-Semites, not least the Nazis, frequently quoted  from Zionist writings to ‘prove’ that the Jews were an alien element.

iv.        That the Zionists uniquely amongst German Jews were pleased at the accession to power of the Nazis.

v.           That the Zionist leadership in Palestine and internationally saw only opportunities for their movement to grow with the Nazis taking power in Germany.

The International Jewish Boycott Campaign That the Zionists Fiercely Opposed

vi.        Whereas the vast majority of Jews sought the overthrow of the Nazis through a Boycott campaign, the Zionists sought to establish relations with the Nazis to their mutual benefit.

vii.     That throughout the war the Zionists opposed any scheme to rescue Jewish refugees from Nazi occupied Europe whose destination was not Palestine.

viii.  That after the establishment of the State of Israel nothing changed. From the neo-Nazi Junta in Argentina to the Azov Battalion in Ukraine, Israel has been happy to supply weapons and training to anti-Semitic regimes and forces.

ix.        That Zionism begins from the assumption that Jews are aliens in every country bar Israel and its goal is the ‘ingathering of the exiles’.  The term ‘exile’ in itself means that Jews living outside Israel are aliens.

When I published my book I took a decision to leave out one chapter on Cruel Zionism. I have decided to make it available to people here. It describes the efforts of the State of Israel  to destabilise the position of Jews  in the Arab lands after 1948.  Israel needed a Jewish working class and the European Ashkenazis preferred the Oriental or Arab Jews of the Middle East to be that working class. Also they sought new immigrants in order to make the state demographically viable and they therefore set about ensuring that the position of Jews in the Arab world was made untenable.

I copy below links to all the reviews, podcasts and interviews I’ve done in connection with the book. There are a number of Amazon  reviews, all positive! I’ve also included one reader’s comment too.

Tony Greenstein

Reviews and Talks About the Book

CPGB meeting 12.12.2022

Amazon reviews


Zionism and the holocaust – Future of the Left Events

Electronic Intifada Podcast

Over the Edge Bookfair Galway


Interview Tony Gosling, Bristol Community Radio

Official Book Launch Jewish Network 4 Palestine

Review Palestine Chronicle

Review Weekly Worker 

Review Jewish Voices for Labour 

Book Review Middle East Monitor 


Israel and Argentina During the Military Junta

Why lefties need a big book about anti-Semitism – Kay Green

Penniless Press – reviewed by Alan Dent

Mondoweiss Podcast - 

Phil Weiss speaks to Tony Greenstein.

Review in Electronic Intifada by Asa Winstanley

How the Zionist movement has used the Holocaust to Sanitise Their Racist Project by Weaponising the Memory of the Murdered 6 Million


Recording of the South Africa PSC and Brighton Book Launches for Zionism During the Holocaust

Brighton Book Launch

How Zionism helped the Nazis perpetrate the Holocaust

Asa Winstanley Review in Electronic Intifada

Al Hiwar TV - Tony Greenstein speaks about his book Zionism During the Holocaust

The Struggle - Rescue of Jews was NOT the Zionist Priority During the Holocaust

Rudolf Vrba, the anti-Zionist Jewish hero who escaped from Auschwitz to bring news of the extermination plans to Hungary's Jews in the Auschwitz Protocols. The Hungarian Zionist leader, Kasztner, suppressed them.

 Readers Comments


I just wanted to say how glad I am that you have written your book on Zionism during the holocaust - and glad too that I have read it.  Every page.  Including most of the index and bibliography thank you very much, and not forgetting the fantastic photos, especially of Vrba and Edelman.

I am ashamed to admit how much of the history was unknown to me (not all of it!), and there was not room in your book to address all of my ignorance, but you have set down the markers, laid out the case to answer (cases) and I do thank you for erring on the side of brevity and concision.

(One final point - trivial I know, against what you have accomplished - but thank you also for putting the footnote numbers in bold!  I have not seen that done before.  It is very helpful!  I hope it catches on.)

Kind regards

John C



[1]        Gelber, ‘Zionist policy and the Fate of European Jewry,’ Yad Vashem Studies (1939-42) p. 199; see also Segev, The Seventh Million, p. 28; Teveth p. 855; Piterberg p. 99.