....The very talented folks over at Visualizing Palestine put together a brilliant infographic highlighting this clear form of segregation. A white and green license plate, for use only by Palestinians, means that most roads in the West Bank are temporarily or indefinitely closed.
- A yellow and black plate, exclusive to Israeli settlers, means that the very same roads are open....
Most of you will hear the refrain that Israel is not an apartheid state. Arabs and Jews can sit in the same cafés. And it’s true. Apartheid in Israel is less obvious but no less real. Every aspect of social life, from housing to education to welfare benefits is segregated. And in the West Bank doubly so.
There are roads that Palestinians cannot travel on. A ruling from the Israeli High Court outlawing the practice on Highways 60 and 443 has never been fully implemented by the Military who don’t consider themselves bound by court rulings (on the rare occasion they don’t support them).
Here you can see the colour coded highways that dictate whether or not Palestinians can use them. Nothing of course to do with Apartheid! There are no signs saying ‘No Blacks or Dogs’ but the effect is the same (except that the dogs are able to pass!).
Tony Greenstein
You lost everything once you tried hopelessly to push your Apartheid Agenda.
ReplyDeleteyou even doubt it yourself.
this is pathetic, you will end up as those old idiots who push slogans with no meaning.
On the contrary it was you who was the loser. It merely described existing reality and all the old combatants against the South African version, plus people like Jimmy Carter and even the more honest Zionists accept that Apartheid is an acceptable description.
ReplyDeleteEven Micky Davis of the Jewish Leadership Council has been forced to adopt it!
There is no question that it is anything but Apartheid.
ReplyDeleteEven if you try your facts are Lies
ReplyDelete"Jimmy Carter is accusing Israel of creating an apartheid system in the WEST BANK.
for you to take it and to push it again with your lies as Israel is an Apartheid state is pathetic, same is your HEAD LINE.
road system were....... you base it that those who read, who are ignorant as you don't know were Israel is and were the west bank is, so for you its Israel road system
You are pathetic.
The fact that Albert Cochran is so obsessed with our 'Apartheid Agenda' (actually it's the Palestinians who pushed it because they were the ones suffering under it) shows we're on the right track.
ReplyDeleteYes Carter referred to the West Bank but hey, what a surprise, Israeli maps don't differentiate between the West bank (Judea & Samaria) and Israel 'proper'. More to the point - neither do I. What happened in Tel Aviv and Jaffa also happened in Kiryat Arba and Hebron.
The settlers came, they used god/mammon/ imperialism/bible to lay claim to others' homes and lands and usurped them. Actually, since you don't like the Apartheid tag Albert let me tell you you are right in one aspect.
Zionism is worse than Apartheid pure and simple. The South Africans, after having expelled the Africans from the land reintegrated them as day labourers in the mines and farms. Zionism has no such need for Palestinian labour because it was built on the concept of Hebrew Labour so it follows more closely the Australian/Tasmanian model of extermination, except it can't get away with that so it's left with nothing but repression.
If you think that not being able to rent land in Israel 'proper' because the JNF and ILA control 93% if just a meaningless slogan then I can only assume that your head is filled with candy floss.
we're on the right track"
ReplyDeleteYou are damn wrong, you just push away people who care about the Palestinian cause, but you and your empty arguments are just making a joke of this issue.
lowest argument as "Israeli maps don't differentiate between the West bank ".... you think that people are stupid and don't know the difference between whats going on in Israel and the west bank, while you think that your stupid argument has a case.
you think that you gain something , maybe those idiots who scream apartheid without even knowing what they say..... but you are loosing the majority who you think are stupid.
Not at all Albert.
ReplyDeleteI push no one away from the Palestinian cause, quite the contrary.
I didn't say that people 'don't know the difference between whats going on in Israel and the west bank'. Clearly there are differences, not least the level of repression. What I was trying to get through to you was that in Israel, no legal differentiation is now made beween those who live within the Green Line and on the settlements. They are subject to the same law whilst the Palestinians are under military rule/Turkish/British regulations/law. That to me is Apartheid but no doubt you have your own definition.
More to the point I think most people now realise that Israel is an apartheid state and the fact that 50% of Arab villages and towns are 'unrecognised' whereas there is no such thing in Jewish areas of Israel proves my point entirely.
"that in Israel, no legal differentiation is now made beween those who live within the Green Line and on the settlements. They are subject to the same law whilst the Palestinians are under military rule/Turkish/British regulations/law. That to me is Apartheid but no doubt you have your own definition."
ReplyDeleteWhat a Lie and a low argument.
Prove it that in Israel (not the west bank) they are under military rule, that's a Lie and you just prove that you think people are supid enough to believe your imagination.
Same goes to
"fact that 50% of Arab villages and towns are 'unrecognised' whereas there is no such thing in Jewish areas of Israel proves my point entirely."
Prove it.
the more you write the more I find how weak your arguments are.
You need to stop shouting and try to listen instead Uncle Albert.
ReplyDeleteIsraeli maps make no differentation between Israel within the Green Line and the West Bank - fact. Israeli settlers are subject to the same laws as other Israeli citizens - also fact .
Palestinians in the occupied territories are subject to military law - fact.
Does this therefore mean that Israeli Arabs are subject to the same law as Palestinians of the West Bank - no. They have certain advantages - e.g. the right to vote, residence, citizenship (not coterminous with nationality as there is no Israeli nationality), education at a higher education institute, a certain level of welfare benefits etc.
At the same time they are not equal. The right to a job is often dependent on serving in the army - most Arabs don't. Welfare/child benefits are higher also for those with army service or the dependents thereof (though the haredi who also don't serve have an extra grant attached to the other religious grants they get).
If you don't think that Arab villages are unrecognised in Israel - no running water, sewerage facilities, building permits etc. then try visiting Al Arakhab in the Negev which has now been demolished for about the 30th time so that the Negev can be judaised.
I don't need to prove you are a racist. You've proven it yourself.
You should read what you write before you push it out....
ReplyDeleteyou wrote:
"no legal differentiation is now made between those who live within the Green Line and on the settlements. They are subject to the same law whilst the Palestinians are under military rule"
Suddenly its not Israel its only the west bank under military rule.
"Palestinians in the occupied territories are subject to military law - fact."
Sure they are and its a fact..... if you don't know its still an military zone... did Israel officially occupied the zone...... never, you think you can fool people with your salat mix words.
it dose not work, you just lose all your arguments one by one.
You can call me names.... I want go down to this level, but it want help you.
I've never said that military rule pertains to Israel, though everything is in place for such. The British Emergency Defence Regulations apply and in case u forgot there has been a State of Emergency for the last 64 years.
ReplyDeletePrecisely the point I've made you now echo. Palestinians in the West bank are under military rule and have been for 45 years. Meanwhile settlers, who shouldn't be there anyway under the 4th Geneva Convention, as an occupying power isn't allowed to settle someone else's territory, have a different law applied to them.
And that is called Apartheid Albert. It's taken a long time to get there but most Zionists aren't that quick on the uptake so I forgive you.
I suggest that in your circumstances that self-help would be the best form of help!
Great improvement...... so you claim that Apartheid is only in the "west bank"....... and not in Israel........ at last you admit it, had to push you for it, but even a "salat maker" as you can't get away with mixing forever, so
ReplyDeleteat list you are consistent in something.....
I am getting back to the beginning, your ongoing attempt to push "Apartheid in Israel", is pathetic.
"West bank are under military rule " that's the only argument that is consistent in all your writings and that's all. and no one argues with that.
I'm afraid u still don't get it Albert. Israel is an Apartheid State. Just as in South Africa, apartheid manifests itself in different ways. There there were differences between the 'homelands' and the cities and between Blacks and Coloureds.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't have the same right to rent a property in Israel because u r an Arab that's Apartheid, pure and simple. The fact that it's worse on the West Bank doesn't negate that fact
Got it now?
Even you last argument that you have in your poor arsenal is a Lie
ReplyDelete"If you don't have the same right to rent a property in Israel because u r an Arab that's Apartheid,"
you don't have any proof..... just slogans, what are you going to write that some nut rabbi said not to rent apartment.... this story is pathetic. show me a policy a law and direction ..... you have none zero only slogans.
The more you push them the more readers are convinced you have nothing to prove only slogans.
keep on writing....... its your defeat.
I'll say one thing Albert. You are
ReplyDeletea glutton for punishment.
Firstly why do Zionist fools always have to accuse their opponents of 'lying'. You can have an honest difference of opinion but for fascists that isn't possible.
No I'm not just referring to the edict of Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu of Safed forbidding the renting of property to Arabs - a ruling supported by hundreds of other rabbis and by a man who is also paid by the State. Nor Torat HaMelech which justifies killing Arab infants and children.
I'm talking JNF & Israeli Lands Authority which control 93% of Israeli land and which administer a Jews only policy in towns and villages, now backed up by a new 'community standards law'. You really should try reading a bit more and carping a bit less.
what bull... the JNF has nothing to say in towns in Israel, your arguments are weaker and weaker and calling names don't give you any more credit.
ReplyDeleteand for your information "followed in 2005 Statue of Attorney General Mazuz's position and ruled that the JNF lands will be sold for Arabs Based on the principle of equality." despite the fact the by definition The role of the Jewish National Fund were used to purchase land in Israel and create places for Jewish settlement.
But how about your Palestinian brothers, that calls to kill Muslims that sales in the free market lands to Jews.
Who are the Hundred of your imaginary Rabbis.... give me 20 more names......
and since when the Rabbis have a word for the secular section in Israel with is the Majority.
You lost all your cases.
"If you don't have the same right to rent a property in Israel because u r an Arab that's Apartheid, pure and simple. The fact that it's worse on the West Bank doesn't negate that fact"
ReplyDeleteGreenstein you became a joker.....
How about your Englandnistan..... do the Muslims have the same right to rent property......
Are you kidding...... We are the Apartheid state and I don't see you running around screaming Apartheid.
You are realy a joke.
Albert Cochran insists on defying the saying that when in a hole stop digging. Apparently it's 'bull' to suggest that the JNF have something to do with renting places in towns and villages. He says that 'the JNF has nothing to say in towns in Israel, your arguments are weaker and weaker and calling names don't give you any more credit.'
ReplyDeleteIt's true I call a fool a fool. What else can I call you? Look Albert try and learn something. Towns are build on land. THe JNF and ILA together control and own 93% of Israeli land. Are you seriously suggesting that none of it is in towns?
Have u never heard of the Kadaan case? Who went to court, won, and 10 years later is still not allocated an apartment in Katzir? Why not do a bit of reading around the subject e.g. the leader in Ha'aretz 'A Racist Jewish State' http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/a-racist-jewish-state-1.225919 or how about 'A Decade of Dreams down the drain' also in Ha'aretz http://www.haaretz.com/news/a-decade-of-dreams-down-the-drain-1.170940.
And when you've read them and at suitable quantities of humble pie come back and apologise for all the nonsense you have been writing.
But Albert knows he's on to a loser so he asks 'how about your Palestinian brothers, that calls to kill Muslims that sales in the free market lands to Jews.'
Leaving aside the English, what he is talking about is not selling Palestinian lands to Zionist settlers. Not because they are Jewish but because they aim to dispossess, supplant and evict. No colonial people willingly do that but collaborators among them do.
Just as we don't compare the killings by Nazi soldiers with the execution of their puppet collaborators by the Resistance in Warsaw.
In fact, as articles on here demonstrate, a number of Jewish people have lived among the Palestinians as equals, not settlers, and been accepted as such, including very recently it was discovered a Jewish survivor of the holocaust.
Our resident fool asks 'Who are the Hundred of your imaginary Rabbis.' He even wants me to give him 20 more names. Why should I waste my time when reports of the support Eliyahu received are a matter of public knowledge. I'm not your researcher and I suspect you aren't interested anyway.
Andy, who is clearly a racist scumbag, asks 'How about your Englandnistan' England's name is exactly that. Only fascists and racists pretend it is some 'istan' i.e. populated by a majority of those pesky Muslims just as Warsaw and Vilna were Hebrew outposts o the then current conspiracy. You are a good Zionist Andy and a good racist, if such a thing is possible.
Idiot Andy asks 'do the Muslims have the same right to rent property'. Surprising as it may seem, the right to rent property in the UK has nothing to do with your religion! Strange concept I know for racist Zionists but there you go and that's your answer Albert.
"the right to rent property in the UK has nothing to do with your religion! "
ReplyDeleteHurray you opened the readers eyes.
Who are you trying to fool..... sure they are not accepted to rent becuase of their religion.....
So you live in a Apartheid country, and what do you do..... nothing.
You are pathetic.
ignorant the lands in the big cities belong to ILA, that's the state, that has equal rights to everyone, sure you fool will put it together with the JNF,The role of the "Jewish National Fund" were used to purchase land in Israel and create places for Jewish settlement.
ReplyDeletecame from Jewish money as a fund.
and also this fund, which is private "followed in 2005 Statue of Attorney General Mazuz's position and ruled that the JNF lands will be sold for Arabs Based on the principle of equality."
So your arguments are Zero.
Bringing one case in 60 years, is like the nit rabbi you chose to add, but never came back with other names......
Your cut and paste arguments are pathetic.
Keep on writing your low argument.
Its good for your low propaganda.
Albert the Ignorant writes that the lands in the big cities belong to the state, and therefore everyone has equal rights. Leaving aside the fact that it is a Jewish State, intent on demographic purity and the marginalisation of Israel's Arabs, you should really read what you attack first Albert. I wrote:
ReplyDelete'If you think that not being able to rent land in Israel 'proper' because the JNF and ILA control 93% if just a meaningless slogan then I can only assume that your head is filled with candy floss.'
Clearly the candy floss won out since Albert insists that the lands belong to the ILA.
However, whether out of ignorance or dishonesty (or both) Albert forgets to mention a few salient facts.
He writes that 'The role of the "Jewish National Fund" were used to purchase land in Israel and create places for Jewish settlement.' At the expense of course of expelling Palestinians from the land.
It is irrelevant where the money came from, because the JNF is not a 'private' fund. It wasn't even before 1948, certainly not afterwards, or perhaps Albert hasn't heard of the 1953 JNF Law, in which the JNF was effectively nationalised.
Perhaps the most important figure in its history, the nuts and bolts man, the Head of its Land and Afforestation Division, who put settlement into practice, Yosef Weitz wrote in his personal diary that:
’The JNF occupies a unique position in Israel. It is nominally an independent organisation but in reality it is a sub-contracted out section of State, controlled by unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats, carrying out functions that the State itself cannot be seen to do openly. The JNF functions as an ideological outpost of the Greater Israel movement and when the Israeli army razed to the ground the Palestinian villages of the Imwas, Yalu and Beit Nuba villages in 1967 and expelled their inhabitants, the JNF took over the construction of the Canada National Park on the ruins.'
http://www.caiaweb.org/files/UriDavis-CanadaPark.pdf
The JNF’s position was formalised by the 1953 KKL Law http://www.geocities.com/savepalestinenow/israellaws/fulltext/kerenkayemetlaw.htm
ReplyDeletewhereby its Memorandum Of Association had to be approved by the Minister of Justice.
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0377-919X(197822)7%3A4%3C3%3AATFSLT%3E2.0.CO%3B2-V
In November 1961 a Covenant was signed between the State of Israel and the JNF which accorded the latter effective control of the land allocation policies of the State of Israel, which together with the Israeli Lands Administration, controlled 93% of Israeli land. According to Article 3a of its Constitution, the JNF was established ‘for the purpose of settling Jews on such lands and properties.’ as it could obtain.
Ignorant Albert however reassures us that 'in 2005 Statue of Attorney General Mazuz's position and ruled that the JNF lands will be sold for Arabs Based on the principle of equality."
So your arguments are Zero."
Unfortunately Albert can't count either. The decision of the High Court and AG Mazuz's memorandum was rendered null and void by the Acceptance to Communities Bill 2011 which allowed local committees (i.e. already 100% Jewish) to reject as 'unsuitable' new applicants for housing - all on the basis of maintaining standards.
Of course it doesn't say that they have to reject Arabs but that's what they do, because up to 80% of Israelis in opinion polls don't want to live next door to Arabs or even have them in their house. Such are the ways of Israel's more clever apartheid.
And yes it's true, Kadaan was the first case in 60 years (there were in fact others, but they never got off the starting blocks). That's not nitpicking but merely a testament to how difficult it is for Arabs to exercise what in other countries would be the normal and democratic rights that come with citizenship. But then, in most western countries, not discriminating on grounds of race and religion - directly or as in Israel indirectly - is already outlawed.
But in Israel the very state itself is based on racial discrimination.
So maybe Albert can tell us, given his witterings about 'private' funds, given the JNF is bound hand and foot with the ILA and controls 6 of the 13 places on the joint Executive, whether he therefore supports its allocation policies and its eviction and destruction of Arab villages like Al Arakabh in the Negev.
Is he happy about Judaisation of the Negev etc. or does he want to continue to bluster (& lie). Diplomats lie in the cause of their country but what's Albert's excuse?
As for Andy, he doesn't even match Albert's idiocy.
ReplyDeleteHe says that I opened people's eyes by saying that religion and renting property in the UK have nothing to do with each other. Most people know that other than idiot Andy.
And then to demonstrate his stupidity he says but 'sure they are not accepted to rent becuase of their religion' yes that's exactly what I said, renting has nothing to do with religion. That was the system in Nazi Germany and now Israel. So at least in your good company.
Congratulations on your bed mates
"Of course it doesn't say that they have to reject Arabs but that's what they do".....
ReplyDeletewho told you, write proof not empty slogans.
you admit "And yes it's true, Kadaan was the first case in 60 years WOW WHAT AN APARTHEID STATE ONE CASE IN 60 YEARS) (there were in fact others, but they never got off the starting blocks). " ...... who are the others....
"because up to 80% of Israelis in opinion polls don't want to live next door to Arabs "....... while 100% of Muslims don't want to live next door to Jews..... and in your UK HOW MANY don't want to live next to Muslims or Blacks....open our eyes.
and quoting resources like URI DAVIS.... the Marxist that suddenly found Islam and converted' as a relief for his disturbed personality......
Don't you have some more reliable sources in your cut and Paste arsenal.....
keep on and push them as part of your Propaganda.
Greenstein, who are you trying to fool.
ReplyDeleteIn the UK the discrimination against Muslims and Blacks, is far more then any other place in the world.
its religion and race, you know it, but for you its OK.....
The UK is the most anti Racist and Anti Religious place when it comes to Muslims and Blacks.
You are a Joke if you keep on defending this policy.
No Susan. In Britain there is an anti-fascist movement, that opposes racist bigots. As we demonstrated in Brighton on April 22nd (see blog).
ReplyDeleteIn Israel the bigots have official sanction.
As for Albert he is becoming even more confusing. Uri Davies was never a Marxist so his conversion to Islam is neither here nor there. He was and is a humanist.
Notice he doesn't deny that 80% of Israeli Jews don't want to live next door to an Arab or Black he just asserts, without any evidence that 100% of Arabs do. But of course that is not true. Before the Zionists came the Jews and Arabs lived cheek by jowl.
As for how many in Britain, there are of course a few, but I doubt even 5% would admit to such. A slight difference even to the cerebrally challenged Albert, who doesn't deny that the Community Standards Law was passed to prevent Arabs renting land.
He has dropped all the assertions re the JNF being a good anti-racist organisation that never discriminates against Arabs. Instead he makes further wild assertions.
uri davis belonged to Marxsist Matzpen.....
ReplyDeleteYou don't give any evidence to your 80% Israelies Jews don't want to live next door to an Arabs, as you don't have any evidence to all your bull, I deny all your lies.
Great Britain 15.5% don't want a Muslim neighbor....."World Values Survey".... Great Achievment ingnorant.
Lets read more of your propaganda stuff..... about the Rabbi that is the head of Magen David......
Ohhh I forgot your anti-fascist movement....... tell us more about your internal fights.....
"
When they aren't fighting the mythical Nazi menace, Britain's self-styled anti-fascists are throwing barbs at each other in a desperate attempt to claim their share of a once lucrative honeypot." fascinating.
I have known Uri Davies for nearly 30 years. He hasn't been a member or supporter of Matzpen in that time. If, and I say if, he was a member of it originally that would have been because it was the only anti-Zionist organisation in Israel at the time.
ReplyDeleteBut he isn't a Marxist which was your original allegation nor has deserted marxism for Islam since he wasn't a marxist when he converted.
So you are still a liar, ignoramus or both.
keep on calling names....
ReplyDeleteSure he was in Matzpen and once they merged with "Haolam Haze" In 1965 Davis was the fifth party candidate to the Kneset but left....
So from A Radical Lefty, he discovered Islam..... typical.
Lets read more of your propaganda stuff..... about the Rabbi that is the head of Magen David......
Ohhh I forgot your anti-fascist movement....... tell us more about your internal fights.....
Not being a Zionist obsessive I have no idea of whether Uri Davies was or was not a member of Matzpen once. What I do know is that in the time I have known him he wasn't a Marxist so it is untrue to say he went from Islam to Marxism.
ReplyDeleteIt's like saying Albert was once opposed to racism. Who cares? He's not now.
"Not being a Zionist obsessive"......
ReplyDeleteThis is the joke of the year !!!
"I have no idea of whether Uri Davies was or was not a member of Matzpen once"......
Is that the ignorance escape.
Open the Biography of Uri Davis, should I support you with links....... you knew the person for 30 years..... he must have a meaning as an AntiZionist ex-Jew..... makes one wonder.
I have more important things to do than pore over the biography of Uri Davies. Since I have known him he hasn't been a Marxist and was a supporter and still is of Fatah, which to the best of my knowledge isn't a marxist organisation.
ReplyDeleteFrom people I know in Matzpen Uri Davies had never been a Marxist.
So why Albert is there a supporter of genocide supervising MDA?