Zionism During the Holocaust describes the background to the Kasztner Trial & Perdition which was the pretext for the Deselection of Jamie Driscoll as Mayor for North Tyne
Roger Waters Rebuts the Zionist Lies About the Wall Being Fascist
The false accusations of anti-Semitism
have not gone away now Corbyn is no longer leader. Keir Starmer, in what is
clearly a libelous
letter, has defamed Roger Waters and accused him of ‘spreading deeply troubling anti-Semitism’. Starmer has also shown
himself out to be the repressive little shit that he is by calling for the cancellation
of Roger Water’s gigs.
As Skwawkbox puts
it ‘Roger Waters has money. Let’s
hope he sues the arse out of Starmer’s trousers.’ There is nothing too
despicable for Starmer to put his name to it. But when it came to the murder last
week of 2 year old Muhammed Tamimi by Israeli soldiers who shot him in the
head, Starmer said nothing. No matter what Israel does it is untouchable. The
Labour Party today is led by a despicable racist and liar.
As I wrote in any
essay over 30 years ago, ‘anti-Semitism’ is the false antiracism of the Right
and so it is proving. Indeed to be accused of ‘anti-Semitism’ today is to be
accused of anti-racism!
Why is the Establishment and figures
like Starmer so concerned about ‘anti-Semitism’? It is because Jews aren’t the victims of
racism and the economic and class discrimination that come with it. If Jews were the targets of a real,
widespread anti-Semitism that is
sponsored by the state then Starmer and his Tory/ Labour protégé, Christian Wakeford,
who have both called for the
cancellation of Roger Water’s gigs, would not want to know.
Last week Jamie Driscoll, the Mayor for
North of Tyne, was deselected
by a Labour NEC panel. No reason was given.
Called the ‘last Corbynista in power’
Driscoll told
the Guardian that he was not given any reason for being blocked from standing,
but suspected it was “because I would
have won” and because “my political positions
have fallen out of favour with the current party leadership”.
Driscoll’s ‘crime’ was believing serial liar
Starmer when he made 10
pledges in order to become leader, in particular Pledge No. 5 which said
Public services should be in public hands, not making
profits for shareholders. Support common ownership of rail, mail, energy and
water; end outsourcing in our NHS, local government and justice system
Starmer, whose campaign was secretly
funded by rich
Zionists, believed not a word of it but was happy to make pledges he had no
intention of keeping.
Driscoll himself cited
his support for a wealth tax
and common ownership of utilities – a Labour party policy under Jeremy
Corbyn, which has been ditched by Starmer. Driscoll also supports
proportional representation, which Starmer doesn’t.
In a friendly
sit-down interview with Mr Driscoll during the 2020 Labour leadership
contest Starmer told Driscoll: "There
is more that unites us than divides us". The Independent reported
that:
anonymous
sources have linked it to Mr Driscoll once appearing on a panel with film
director Ken Loach, who has himself been kicked out of the Labour party for
supporting a proscribed organisation.
Luke Akehurst defend Israeli snipers opening fire on unarmed demonstrators in Gaza in 2018, killing 234 including 49 children
This was confirmed
by far-right Labour NEC member Luke Akehurst, who is the Director of We Believe in Israel. In 2019 Akehurst defended
Israel using snipers to murder and maim thousands of unarmed Gazans, including
over 50 children, who demanded the right of return to their original homes in
Palestine.
On his Twitter
thread Akehurst made it very clear
why Loach, Britain’s most distinguished film producer, a veteran socialist who
has produced award winning films such as Kes,
The Wind that Shakes the Barley and I Daniel Blake, was nonetheless
anti-Semitic. Akehurst who is non-Jewish felt confident to speak
about what the ‘Jewish community’ felt:
He seems absolutely oblivious to
the role Ken Loach has played over many decades in the debate about
antisemitism or the extent to which the Jewish community find association with
Loach abhorrent and offensive.
What Akehurst was referring to was the
Zionist leadership of British Jews. What
had particularly outraged them and Akehurst was Loach’s role in the production
of Jim Allen’s play Perdition.
Akehurst cited in his support an article by David
Cesarani, a Zionist historian, ‘Perdition
– Stage-managed anti-Semitism?’,. I
am going to analyse what Cesarani says in this article and explain why it is
flawed.
Cesarani was an ideologically driven
historian and his best book, Final Solution,
came out after he died at the age of 58. It is true that Cesarani wrongly
branded Perdition as anti-Semitic.
However he also regretted his attempt to censor it. This kind of nuance is too
much to comprehend for the likes of Akehurst who is a propagandist.
Cesarani wrote
in the Jewish Chronicle (3.7.87.) after the Perdition controversy:
Was it worth all
the fuss?... Had the play gone on it would have been seen by around 2,000
people…. We need to master the art of exposing and debunking, instead of
instantly branding antagonists as anti-Semites…
Note those words: ‘instantly branding antagonists as
anti-Semites’. That’s what happened and it rebounded because most people
weren’t convinced by the ritual accusations of ‘anti-Semitism’ and the more
they looked the more they asked their own questions.
Professor Robert Wistrich of Tel Aviv
University, a right-wing Zionist historian, albeit an honest one (a rare breed)
went even further and condemned ‘as unwise’ the attacks on the play as
anti-Semitic. Wistrich held that ‘the
entire Jewish leadership of that generation – including the Zionists – failed
the test of the times.’
Wistrich
conceded that ‘the major priority of the
Zionist movement at the time was indeed building Palestine’ and that the
Holocaust took second place. He accepted that ‘a reasonable case’ could be made that Zionists did not fight
anti-Semitism before 1939 ‘with the
appropriate vigour’ and further
‘that
some Zionists wanted to develop a ‘special relationship’ with the Nazis…. To
deny these points… is not only stupid but unnecessary.’ [Wistrich, Between Redemption & Perdition: Modern
Antisemitism and Jewish Identity, p. 244. Routledge 1990]
In Final solution (p.96) Cesarani
confirmed what Ken Livingstone had said writing that:
‘The efforts of the Gestapo are oriented to promoting Zionism as much as possible and lending support to its
efforts to promote emigration.’
Was Cesarani
correct that Perdition was ‘Stage-managed
anti-Semitism?
Cesarani’s article
can be found in Jewish Socialist No. 9 in Spring 1987. It is littered with
mistakes and hyperbole. Attempts to find conspiracy theories where there are
none. Waffle instead of analysis.
Cesarani described the judge, Benjamin Halevi, as ‘unsympathetic’. Initially that was not
true. It was as the evidence mounted up that Halevi became unsympathetic.
Cesarani started off by saying of the Kasztner case
in Israel, in which a holocaust survivor Malchiel Greenwald was sued for libel
by Kasztner, a prominent member of the governing Israeli Labour Party and
former leader of Hungarian Zionism that:
‘Although
he won the case technically the court awarded derogatory damages and Kasztner
was forced to appeal, without success. He was assassinated before a court
finally cleared his name’.
Clearly Cesarani knew nothing about the trial. There
were four allegations against Kasztner:
(a) collaboration with the Nazis;
(b) preparing the ground for murder of Hungary’s Jews;
(c) sharing the monies and valuables looted from
Hungary’s Jews with Becher
(d) saving a war criminal (Becher) from punishment after the war.
Far from winning the
case technically, Halevi found that charges (a) (b) and (d) were proven. Only
(c) was not proven. There was no technical victory in the lower court. It was
in the Supreme Court that Kasztner won a technical victory in that it was held
that in a libel trial you must win on all counts, not just 3 of them.
But even then, the
decision to uphold the appeal was by 4-1, not a unanimous verdict and one of
the four, Justice Goiten, refused to exonerate Kasztner.
The Supreme Court did not clear Kasztner. They upheld all the
facts found by the lower court and unanimously
found that charge (d) was proven as Kasztner had lied about having given
testimony to the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal in favour of Kurt Becher,
Himmler’s personal emissary in Hungary and a war criminal.
It later transpired that
Kasztner had given testimony in favour of 6 Nazi war criminals including
Hermann Krumey and Dieter Wisliceny who were responsible for the deportation of
Jews from Slovakia, Greece, Poland and the atrocity at Lidice. Krumey was
Eichmann’s second in command in Hungary and in charge of the deportations.
They had the blood of millions on their hands
yet Kasztner testified for them. The decision to appeal was so controversial
that it caused the fall of the second Israeli government of Moshe Shertok.
Kasztner was assassinated
by agents of Israel’s Shin Bet (internal security police) to shut him up.
Cesarani said that Perdition ‘raised the agonizing dilemmas confronting Jewish leaders in Nazi
Europe: should, could they have done more to resist’ and cites Hannah
Arendt in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem (which
the Zionists excoriated as ‘anti-Semitic’) ‘where
she accused the Jewish leadership of incompetence.’ What Arendt actually
said was:
Wherever Jews lived, there were recognized Jewish leaders, and this leadership, almost without exception, cooperated in one way or another, for one reason or another, with the Nazis… The whole truth was that if the Jewish people had really been unorganized and leaderless, there would have been chaos and plenty of misery but the total number of victims would hardly have been between four and a half and six million people. (p.125)
Cesarani was wrong. Arendt was not alleging
incompetence.
Nonetheless Cesarani conceded that German Zionism ‘echoed German volkish rhetoric about blood
and soil’ suggesting that this ideological symmetry with Nazi views on the
Jews was ‘exploited by Zionists in
Germany after 1933 to get concessions from the Nazis in order to expedite
Jewish emigration to Palestine.’ This too was untrue.
German Zionism exploited its ideological agreement
with the Nazis, that Jews did not belong in Germany and that they were aliens,
in order to operate legally under the Nazi regime. They were unconcerned about the
emigration of most German Jews and indeed the Ha’avara
trade agreement with the Nazis made it harder for most Jews to emigrate.
The Zionists helped destroy the Boycott of Nazi
Germany and thus stabilise the Nazi regime. Elie Wiesel, a survivor of
Auschwitz wrote:
‘Surely, Jewish Palestine... needed money to finance
its development, but this brazen pragmatism went against the political philosophy
of a majority of world Jewry. There developed a growing perception that instead
of supporting and strengthening the boycott, Palestine was, in fact, sabotaging
it.’ (Review: ‘The Land That Broke Its Promise : The Seventh Million: The Israelis and
the Holocaust,’ LA Times, 23.5.93.)
Ha’avara
broke the Boycott of Nazi Germany. That was why the
Nazis agreed to it. It came to the rescue of the Nazi regime when it was weakest.
At no time did the Zionist movement join the international campaign against
Nazi Germany. As soon as the Nazis came to power the Zionist movement sought to
exploit it for the purposes of building a ‘Jewish state.’
The
Investor’s Review of 5 August 1933 reported that ‘authoritative opinion is that Hitlerism
will come to a sanguinary end before the New Year.’ (‘Hitler hard up’, JC
11.8.33.)
Cesarani wrote in his book Final solution (pp. 81-2)
that those who doubted the viability of the regime ‘were not engaged in wishful thinking’ and that it was beset by
enemies coupled with a chronic balance of payments deficit. Israeli historian
Yf’aat Weiss wrote
(The Transfer Agreement and the Boycott Movement, p. 20)
The Zionist movement found itself in a profound conflict between transfer and boycott and, in the broad sense, between the needs of the Yishuv and the sentiments of the Jewish people.
Edwin
Black, author of the definitive history of Ha’avara, wrote (p.253)
the Nazi party and the Zionist Organization shared a
common stake in the recovery of Germany. If the Hitler economy fell,
both sides would be ruined.
Ha’avara may have saved Hitler from being overthrown. (p. xiii) Black speculated
that some Zionists ‘wondered if the
Transfer Agreement’s aborting the nascent boycott of German goods had precluded
any chance of the anti-Nazi crusade succeeding.’
The Zionists’ main argument is that accusations of collaboration with the
Nazis is like blaming the Jews for their own murder. We should remember that
just 2% of Germany’s half million Jews were Zionists. Zionists were a freak sideshow in the German
Jewish community. They were seen as Hitler
Juden with their volkish ideology.
Alfred
Rosenberg, the Nazi Party’s main theoretician who was hanged at Nuremberg,
wrote in 1919 that
‘Zionism must be vigorously supported in order to
encourage a significant number of German Jews to leave for Palestine or other destinations.’
Francis
Nicosia wrote in [The Third Reich and
the Palestine Question, (p. 25)] that Rosenberg ‘intended
to use Zionism as a legal justification for depriving German
Jews of their civil rights’ and ‘eventually the Jewish presence in Germany.’
Cesarani said that Lenni Brenner, the author of Zionism in the Age of the Dictators and Jim Allen (he doesn’t mention
Ken Loach) attributes to the Zionists only half-hearted, rescue attempts
because they only wanted ‘racially pure’ and strong Jews in Palestine. But this
is not true.
The Zionist movement during the Holocaust was uninterested in any rescue
attempts that did not involve Palestine because they believed that if the
plight of Europe’s Jews could be solved without recourse to Palestine what was
the point of a Jewish state? They
preferred their death to their rescue in countries other than Palestine. This
is not conjecture. David Ben-Gurion, the
Chair of the Jewish Agency and Israel’s first Prime Minister opposed the Kindertransport when Britain agreed to immigration
of 10,000 German Jewish children.
On 9 December 1938 Ben Gurion explained that:
If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel. (Yoav Gelber, ‘Zionist policy and the Fate of European Jewry,’ Yad Vashem Studies (1939-42) p. 199; Tom Segev, The Seventh Million, p. 28).
It was this, not racial purity that was at the heart
of Zionist opposition to rescue schemes that did not involve Palestine.
Cesarani resorts to making accusations of conspiracy. He
held it was anti-Semitic to accuse Kasztner of buying his and other Zionist
activists lives with the price of silence over the holocaust, but that is
precisely what he did when he or his deputy Joel Brand reached an agreement in late
April/early May with either Eichmann or Krumey for a train out of Germany for
the Zionist elite in exchange for silence over the destination of the deportation
trains. That was precisely the
charge made after the war by the survivors of the Hungarian holocaust when they
testified in the Kasztner trial.
Why was Cesarani’s appalling article printed in the
Jewish Socialist? Probably because the
most influential member of the Jewish Socialists Group, David Rosenberg, was a
friend of Cesarani. This article, with its generalised accusations of
anti-Jewish conspiracies, was the kind of stuff that was being printed in the
conservative press at the time.
Cesarani took offence at the accusation of betrayal
but this was not Ken Loach’s or Jim Allen’s theme, but that of the Hungarian holocaust
survivors at Kasztner’s libel trial.
Zionism was a quisling movement that betrayed Europe’s Jews. That was why in
Poland the Zionist movement grew weaker. In the last free elections in Poland
in 1938 the anti-Zionist Bund won 17 out of Warsaw’s 20 Jewish Council seats.
The same was true all over Poland. As Isaac Deutscher wrote [Non-Jewish Jew]:
To the Jewish workers anti-Semitism seemed
to triumph in Zionism, which
recognised the legitimacy and the validity of the old cry ‘Jews get out!' The
Zionists were agreeing to get out.
Cesarani complained that Jim Allen and Ken Loach
responded to criticism of the play as anti-Semitic by saying that all the
heroes are Jews. ‘But what sort of Jews are they’ writes Cesarani ‘They are anti-Zionist or communist.’ That
was precisely what was wrong with Perdition
as far as Cesarani was concerned. It
told the truth!
Ken Loach, in a letter to the Guardian, before the paper became
Freedlandised wrote:
The writer Eric
Fried, many of whose family were murdered by the Nazis, wrote: "I am envious I have not written [this
play] myself ... To accuse the play of faking history or anti-Jewish bias is
monstrous. Perdition should be staged wherever possible."
Ironically Paul Bogdanor, a far-right Zionist. set out
to rebut the charge that Kasztner was a collaborator. During his research he
came to the opposite conclusion. In Kasztner’s Crime. Bogdanor accused Kasztner of being a Gestapo agent! Far
from being spotless white as Cesarani and his apologists in the JSG would have
you believe, Kasztner was indeed the
Nazi collaborator that anti-Zionists had all along maintained.
Bogdanor, a Zionist fanatic, then wove a tale that
Kasztner acted as an individual rather than a representative of the Zionist
movement. However this is historically untenable. Kasztner represented the
Jewish Agency when he went to Nuremberg to give testimony in favour of Nazi war
criminals. Indeed they paid his expenses. His accuser in the Palestine Office
in Budapest, Moshe Krausz, was dismissed after making a complaint against
Kasztner to the Jewish Agency.
The reason I have devoted a blog to resurrecting the
1987 play Perdition is because the
controversy is now being resurrected to prove that Ken Loach is anti-Semitic. Zionism
relies on recycling lies hoping people will forget the truth. This play was in
no way anti-Jewish. It was anti-Zionist and it accurately portrayed the Zionist
movement as having collaborated with the
Nazis in the extermination of nearly half a million Hungarian Jews.
Below is what I wrote
in my recent book, Zionism During the
Holocaust, on the Perdition Affair. To understand the background, viz. the
holocaust in Hungary, you will have to buy the book though! If you
wish to do this please contact me at tonygreenstein104@gmail.com
Tony Greenstein
Perdition
An
article that appeared in Ha’aretz
less than four weeks after the German surrender asked: ‘Did the Jews also have a hand in the horrible bloodshed committed
against our nation?’ [1]
It was sentiments such as these that led to the staging of Perdition.
Based
on the Kasztner Trial, Perdition was the subject of a ferocious Zionist
campaign to ban it. It was due to be shown at the Royal Court Theatre Upstairs
in January 1987. After pressure was put on its artistic director Max
Stafford-Clarke, it was cancelled because ‘it
would cause distress to members of the [Jewish] community.’[2]
In other words it would have upset Britain’s powerful Zionist lobby.
Martin
Gilbert and David Cesarani supported this campaign, claiming that Perdition
was historically inaccurate.[3]
But when Salman Rushdie’s Satanic Verses was published, the British
Establishment and its tame press cried ‘free
speech’. It was irrelevant that
Rushdie’s book distressed many Muslims. When Charlie Hebdo mocked the Prophet
Muhammad, free speech was again prioritised. The double standards were all too
clear.
Jim
Allen, who wrote the play, gave some indication of the tactics used when
describing how Stephen Roth of the Zionist Federatopm told Stafford-Clarke that
he could imperil the Royal Court’s funding by contacting friends in New York
and London. One London producer was told that ‘I own nine theatres, my friend owns six. Put the play on and you’re
finished.’[4]
Ken Loach wrote:
Perdition was stopped by
public abuse and private manipulation organized by a political tendency,
Zionism, that will not acknowledge its past because of the light it sheds on
the present.[5]
According
to Cesarani the play ‘purported to reveal
a gigantic conspiracy by powerful Jews (to) … mercilessly sacrifice(d) fellow
Jews.’ It did no such thing. It revealed the true record of the Zionist movement.[6]
However
the ban backfired and Perdition was shown at Conway Hall for six nights
as well as at the Edinburgh Festival fringe.[7]
It was the subject of letters and articles for weeks in the mass media and set
off a far wider debate over Zionism and its role during the Holocaust.
The
controversy in The Guardian’s letter columns continued for over two
months. For The Times the issue was ‘the
right to travesty the past and to slander a nation.’ The idea that there is
only one version of history and that any others are a ‘travesty’ or that nations can be ‘slandered’ is indicative of the pernicious standards of Perdition’s
critics.[8]
The
genie was out of the bottle. Both Cesarani, who described Perdition as a
‘calumny’,[9]
and playwright Arnold Wesker, came to regret the Zionist campaign.[10]
Professor
Robert Wistrich of Tel Aviv University, an ardent Zionist ideologue condemned ‘as unwise’ the attacks on the play as
anti-Semitic. Wistrich held that ‘the
entire Jewish leadership of that generation – including the Zionists – failed
the test of the times.’ Wistrich conceded that ‘the major priority of the Zionist movement at the time was indeed
building Palestine’ and that the Holocaust took second place. He accepted
that ‘a reasonable case’ could be
made that Zionists did not fight anti-Semitism before 1939 ‘with the appropriate vigour’ and further
‘that some Zionists wanted to develop a
‘special relationship’ with the Nazis…. To deny these points… is not only
stupid but unnecessary.’ [11]
Professor Wistrich was one of that rare breed, an honest Zionist.
Channel
4 staged a debate between Lenni Brenner, Marion Woolfson and Jim Allen and their
opponents led by Churchill biographer Martin Gilbert, Stephen Roth of the
Institute of Jewish Affairs and Rabbi Hugo Gryn. Gryn confessed he was ‘deeply depressed by the discussion’.[12]
The Zionists had argued for censorship to hide their inability to substantiate
their claims that Perdition was historically inaccurate.
I
interviewed Jim Allen.[13]
At the time his wife was dying with cancer and the Perdition Affair was not something he wanted to
devote his time to. Jim Allen, who had written Days of Hope, Big Flame and other TV plays, was one of Britain’s
finest socialist playwrights. All through his life he had stood on the side of
the working class and the oppressed. The attacks on him as anti-Semitic by
establishment toadies like Martin Gilbert were nauseating. Perdition was
attacked for what it didn’t say. According to Bernard Levin in The Times,
Ben-Gurion ‘smiled on the Holocaust’.
Roger Waters & Cancel Culture
There
has been a vile campaign by the Zionists and its Establishment echoes, like Starmer
to cancel Roger Waters. All those who favour free speech when it comes to
genuine racists want to cancel an anti-fascist and anti-racist performer on the
grounds that he is ‘anti-Semitic’. The real reason the Jewish Chronicle wants
him banned is Palestine not fascism.
Water’s parody
of a fascist has been part of The Wall performance since 1980. It is now held
to be itself a fascist production. His moronic critics would no doubt have
called Charlie Chaplin’s The
Great Dictator a fascist play too. Waters demolishes the liars in
the video above. He also said
he had:
"attracted bad faith attacks from
those who want to smear and silence me because they disagree with my political
views and moral principles".
"The
elements of my performance that have been questioned are quite clearly a
statement in opposition to fascism, injustice, and bigotry in all its
forms,"
Biden
aide’s smear of Roger Waters’s ‘Wall’ performance is slammed at State briefing
(Mondoweiss)
Roger Waters and the State Department briefing
The State
Department’s press briefing on Monday showed the new mood in Washington:
reporters repeatedly raised Israel policy as problematic.
Roger Waters’s advocacy for Palestine shook the briefing room, as a reporter questioned why Deborah Lipstadt, the junk holocaust historian, had echoed the smear that Waters’s performance of “The Wall” was an example of Jew hatred, and failed to see that it is actually a denunciation of fascism akin to Charlie Chaplin’s parody of Hitler as “the great dictator.”
Reporter Sam Husseini, a
reporter at the Institute for Public Accuracy, criticized Lipstadt’s
comments at the State
Department briefing Monday. accusing the Biden administration of
deploying the antisemitism charge as “a
way of denouncing people who stand up for Palestinian rights.”
Lipstadt,
the State Department’s envoy to “monitor and combat antisemitism,” issued her
comment on Waters’s performances on
May 24:
“I wholeheartedly concur with
[the EU Commission on antisemitism’s] condemnation of Roger Waters and his
despicable Holocaust distortion.”
Lipstadt
retweeted the European commission’s comment:
“Roger Waters gig in Berlin.
Is there anything more antisemitic than using Anne Frank as a prop on a German
stage while prancing around in a Nazi uniform attacking Jews?”
This is an incredible distortion of what happened. I don’t know if you’re
familiar with The Wall, which is possibly the most classic rock opera in rock
and roll history. So– unrelenting denunciation of fascism and racism, one of
the songs in it features him as mocking a demagogue like Charlie Chaplin did,
and talking to the crowd and saying, “Are
there any queers, are there any Jews, are there any blacks in the audience
tonight? Get them up against the wall.” And then he gets a machine gun and
mows them down.
It’s an obvious attack on fascism, and yet your ambassador is denouncing
it and pretending that Roger Waters, presumably because he defends Palestinian
rights as well as other people’s rights, is an example of anti-Semitism. Are
you going to distance yourself from this, or are you going to back down on
this?
Sam
Husseini asks why a Biden envoy is accusing Roger Waters of antisemitism by
singing from the rock opera, “The Wall.” June 5, 2023, screenshot.
Vedant Patel of the State Department said he wasn’t familiar with “The
Wall” and hadn’t seen Lipstadt’s tweet, so he wouldn’t weigh in. Husseini said
that the comment is very much State Department business.
This is her portfolio… She is
beyond parody distorting anti-Semitism and criticism of Israel. He [Waters]
used Anne Frank’s name as a list of people, of martyrs, who he reveres. It’s an
incredible distortion. I think it’s imperative if the State Department isn’t
going to wholeheartedly dispense with any pretense about anti-Semitism being an
actual problem and only use it as a way of denouncing people who stand up for
Palestinian rights, you’ve got to do something.
Patel said that was “absolutely not
our approach” to antisemitism. And Husseini said, “Well, prove it.” Matt Lee of the Associated Press also said State
needed to answer for Lipstadt’s comment.
It is a situation where we’re talking about a British musician giving a
concert in Germany, it doesn’t really have anything to do with the U.S., but
the fact of the matter is, is that she did weigh in on it. So it’s a legitimate
question.
Waters
explained
on May 26 that the depiction of an “unhinged fascist demagogue” has been an anti-fascist feature of The
Wall since 1980.
The elements of my
performance that have been questioned are quite clearly a statement in
opposition to fascism, injustice, and bigotry in all its forms. Attempts to
portray those elements as something else are disingenuous and politically
motivated. The depiction of an unhinged fascist demagogue has been a feature of
my shows since Pink Floyd’s “The Wall” in 1980.
I have spent my entire life speaking out against authoritarianism and oppression wherever I see it. When I was a child after the war, the name of Anne Frank was often spoken in our house, she became a permanent reminder of what happens when fascism is left unchecked. My parents fought the Nazis in World War II, with my father paying the ultimate price.
[1] Segev,
The Seventh Million, p. 181 citing
‘The Jews among the war criminals’ Ha’aretz,
3.6.45. p .2
[2] The
Guardian, Leader, 23.1.87.
[3] The Guardian, 21.3.87. This was untrue.
[4] Perdition, p. 142. Jim Allen, Letter to The Guardian, 18.3.1987.
[5] Ken
Loach, letter to The Guardian,
19.3.1987; Perdition p. 142.
[6] Cesarani,
Anti-Zionism in Britain, 1922-2002,
p. 147.
[7] See
The Guardian letter 26.4.99, Barbara Smoker of the South Place Ethical
Society which ran Conway Hall https://tinyurl.com/y3pgysye
[8] The
Times, 23.1.87. and see letter from Andrew Hornung 28.1.87.
[9] Cesarani,
Genocide & Rescue: The Holocaust in Hungary, p. 151, Oxford 1977.
[10] Arnold
Wesker, ‘Why I changed my mind,’ JC 24.3.89.
[11] Wistrich,
Between Redemption & Perdition:
Modern Antisemitism and Jewish Identity, p. 244. Routledge 1990, https://tinyurl.com/y76gdvda
[12] JC
20.3.87, the debates can be found at https://tinyurl.com/5n7nw7t5 and https://tinyurl.com/mvuh79d
[13] ‘Why
Perdition should be shown’. Tribune, 27 February 1987. ‘
What are your thoughts about the fact people like Nick Griffin and David Icke are coming out in support of Roger Waters ?
ReplyDeleteWhat are my thoughts on the fact that a fascist and a conspiracy theorist who leans that way are coming out in support of Roger Waters as against the state inspired attacks on him?
DeleteI think it puts to shame those who consider themselves socialists who don't support Roger Waters. If fascists support someone who is an anti-fascist and whose whole performance of the Wall is an anti-fascist one then they are clearly stupid.
But what is worse? The Jewish Nazi Ministers in the Israeli government intent on genocide and ethnic cleansing or a few fascist oddities who hold no power? Is the British state and Starmer's attack on Roger Waters preferable?
You are clearly a Zionist with a few talking points but otherwise nothing to say
Why do you keep conflating Zionism and Nazism ?
ReplyDeleteZionism is the 2000+ year old yearning Jewish people have had to return to our homeland, which was colonized by Arabs, who today call themselves 'Palestinian'. The name 'Palestine' was a Roman invention, meant to insult Jews and erase Israels Jewish identity following the Bar Kokhba Revolt.
Oh oh. Another or maybe the same Zionist troll.
ReplyDeleteWhere have I conflated Zionism and Nazism? They have certain things in common to be sure, but have I ever said they are identical? Nazism is racial fascism. Zionism is Jewish settler colonialism. Problem with Zionists is that they cannot read still less understand.
Ah the myth of the 2,000 year longing of returning to our 'homeland'. If you are away from home for so long I guess it ain't your home especially when you voluntarily left and assimilated so many other people to you that it's only a homeland in a racial sense.
But of course this is nonsense. If Jews had longed for 2,000 years to return why did they wait for the blessing of British imperialism to do so. Why not just go? After all there was nothing stopping them. You didn't need a passport to enter Palestine, there were no borders.
In fact whenever Jews have been faced with a choice Palestine was the last place they wanted to go. Out of the 2.5 million Russian Jews who emigrated from the mid-19th century to 1914 barely 1% went to Palestine. When the most recent Russian Jews wanted to leave Palestine they wanted to go to the US not Palestine. Which was why Begin flew to the US to pressurise Ronald Reagan to deny them entry, arguing that as Israel wanted them they were not refugees.
As for the word Palestine it was not a Roman invention.
'The word Palestine derives from Philistia, the name given by Greek writers to the land of the Philistines, who in the 12th century BCE occupied a small pocket of land on the southern coast, between modern Tel Aviv–Yafo and Gaza.' Encyclopedia Brittanica https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine
The Bar Kochba revolt was a small affair magnified for nationalist reasons. More fiction from our resident Zio expected no doubt?
"Where have I conflated Zionism and Nazism?"
ReplyDeleteThe constant over emphasis on the similarities between the two ideologies is a like an attempt to conflate them.
"Zionism is Jewish settler colonialism"
How so ?
"you voluntarily left and assimilated so many other people to you that it's only a homeland in a racial sense"
Provide sources that back up that claim, otherwise your fibbing.
"Why not just go?"
Because being non-Muslim or non-Arab in an Islamic/Arab dominated society wasnt safe.
"As for the word Palestine it was not a Roman invention"
Ok, but theres no letter 'P' in Arabic, so how can the Arabs claiming to be Palestinians be something theres no letter for ?
"The Bar Kochba revolt was a small affair magnified for nationalist reasons. More fiction from our resident Zio expected no doubt?"
Again, cite sources.
Conflated means the same as. Emphasising the similarities, e.g. Jews could not marry non-Jews in Nazi Germany, they can't in Israel, Jews could not live in Aryan areas in Germany, Palestinian citizens of Israel can't live in hundreds of Jewish communities or rent, lease or buy Jewish state land. The similarities are enormous however that is not to say that Nazism and Zionism are the same. The former was a fascist movement to crush the independent organisations of the working class. Zionism involved the creation of a Jewish working class with its own settler union Histadrut which carried out the initial settlement of Palestine.
ReplyDeleteYou Zios lack all nuance or subtlety of argument. You are like all traditional settler colonials, Boers and so on.
You ask for primary sources. On the contrary it is you who should provide primary sources for your claim that Jews were expelled. If you see the Wiki article on the Jewish diaspora you will read that:
'It is commonly claimed that the diaspora began with Rome's twofold crushing of Jewish national aspirations. David Aberbach, for one, has argued that much of the European Jewish diaspora, by which he means exile or voluntary migration, originated with the Jewish wars which occurred between 66 and 135 CE.[71]: 224 Martin Goodman states that it is only after the destruction of Jerusalem that Jews are found in northern Europe and along the western Mediterranean coast.[72] This widespread popular belief holds that there was a sudden expulsion of Jews from Judea/Syria Palaestina and that this was crucial for the establishment of the diaspora.[73] Israel Bartal contends that Shlomo Sand is incorrect in ascribing this view to most Jewish study scholars,[74] instead arguing that this view is negligible among serious Jewish study scholars.[75] These scholars argue that the growth of diaspora Jewish communities was a gradual process that occurred over the centuries, starting with the Assyrian destruction of Israel, the Babylonian destruction of Judah, the Roman destruction of Judea, and the subsequent rule of Christians and Muslims. After the revolt, the Jewish religious and cultural center shifted to the Babylonian Jewish community and its scholars.'
Joseph Flavious, the only Jewish historian of the period does not mention a Roman expulsion of the Jewish population. It is a Zionist myth.
The reality was that the poor, pastoral Jews mainly converted to Christianity and in the 7th century converted to Islam with the Arab invasion.
You say that 'being non-Muslim or non-Arab in an Islamic/Arab dominated society wasnt safe.' Really? That was why Maimonedes took refuge with Saladdin becoming his personal physician? Why the Jews of Spain fled the Inquisition to the North African coast.
Of course it suits the Zionist narrative to pretend that Muslims were the danger not the Christian but in practice Jews thrived in the Arab lands, in particular in Iraq which became the centre of Judaism. The Babylonian not the Jerusalem Talmud is the authoritative text.
When the Crusaders came to slaughter the inhabitants of Palestine with whom did the Jews ally and seek protection? Those very same Muslims. Of course it suits the Zionist narrative to pretend otherwise but truth is the first casualty of Zionism.
You seem to forget that the holocaust took place in Europe not Arabia. That it was worst in the Christian ethnic states of Hungary, Romania, Croatia and Slovakia where Christian fascist groups and parties perpetrated particularly horrific massacres. Like most Zios you are ignorant of groups like the Hlinka Guard, the Iron Guard, the Arrow Cross and the Ustashe.
Again the only country under Nazi occupation where Jews actually increased was Muslim Albania. So all your wittering on about Muslims reflect the Zionist need to rewrite history from the present. See Orwell on this practice.
You write that 'Ok, but theres no letter 'P' in Arabic'. True that's why it is Filastin!
As for Bar Kochba I'll leave you to do the work.
Mr/Ms 'Anonymous' spouts all the usual regurgitated Zionist myths pushed to the uninformed in the expectation that they will not be challenged. Well done Tony for taking the time and trouble to hand the Zionist their backside on a plate.
ReplyDeleteRoger Waters was excellent on Saturday, there was a contingent of Palestine supporters outside the venue who were warmly greeted by those entering the Arena. Roger displayed a massive FREE JULIAN ASSANGE banner above the stage and appealed to the British public not to let him be extradited to the USA.
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