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Sunday, 7 December 2008

Announcement - Change of Title


As people may have realised, the title of this blog has been changed from 'Anti-Zionists Against Anti-Semites' to 'Tony Greenstein's Blog'.

The reason for this is that the original reason for setting this up, the activities of the small group of anti-Semites around Gilad Atzmon and Mary Rizzo, has shrunk into insignificance. The original blog was originally set in the wake of the furore over postings by Atzmon on the once radical Indymedia. Almost despite themselves and their Atzmon sidekick, FTP, they decided to put a question mark over Atzmon's verbal Diarrhoea. This was enough for Atzmon to pick up his tent and run for cover.

Rumour also has it that the SWP, in the midst of a civil war between supporters of John Rees and Martin Smith, has also ditched the Atzmon. Presumably blaming the Jews for the current economic crisis was one step too far! Of course the SWP, which once went out on a limb to defend Atzmon (a cash cow for them) doesn't have the honesty to actually announce the fact or explain its change of position.

It is therefore my intention to post a wider range of articles including articles and reviews I have written elsewhere and past pamphlets (once I get the hang of how to upload documents etc.!).
Tony Greenstein

25 comments:

mary said...

Tony, you are suffering severe delusions of grandeur or else chronic blindness. Do you really think you are a crusader who has eliminated Gilad Atzmon and Mary Rizzo? Do your three readers actually make up a chunk of the public that can compare with the "following" of those who you despise, sue and defame?

Has it escaped your awareness that Gilad, Haitham and I now run one of them most popular and widely distributed sites on Palestine on the Web? That we have hundreds of subscribers to the daily digest who don't have to come to the site, several thousand rss feed subscriptions, direct live streaming with dozens of sites, and despite that, still get over 5000 visitors each day?

How do you explain that diminishing into insignficance?

Not to mention, every one of our articles is widely translated, distributed, linked, cross-posted... and we have a stable group of contributors (28, to be precise) and another 80 or so collaborators who send us articles on a regular basis.

I think you need a head examination, and fast. But as you say, what you think is more important than actual documented facts!

mary said...

Tony, you write: "the SWP, which once went out on a limb to defend Atzmon (a cash cow for them) doesn't have the honesty to actually announce the fact or explain its change of position."

Has it possibly never occurred to you that the reason they didn't announce a disengagement with Atzmon is because quite possibly what you claim is not even true? Why would they need to announce something just because it is in your head? How can they announce a change of position if quite possibly there hasn't been a change in position?

why don't you try logic once in a while tony?

mary said...

one last thing, Tony...for the moment.

If indeed the SWP considers Gilad Atzmon a cash cow, this would indeed mean that he is popular, that he is not quite what you, (apparently out of some psychological situation of rivalry that is directing your very existence and is so bizarre that no one can get their heads around it), can call insignificant.

Again, Tony, logic is a dying art and you simply seem to have an allergy to it!

Tony Greenstein said...

I have never claimed to have 'eliminated' Atzmon & Mary Rizzo. Merely to politically isolate them - a difference!

It is the understanding of a number of people that given the internal ructions in the SWP, of which Mary is clearly unaware, that maintaining Atzmon is no longer considered defensible politically (in so far as they ever defended it).

There may indeed be many people, Zionists included, who access your website but I am talking about political influence of your current, which is about zilch.

No doubt the SWP will clear the matter up!

mary said...

politically isolated from who, from where, Tony? From the people who go to the IJV meeting and state that they have to defend the two states before it is impossible to achieve? From Deborah who sings the praises of the Jewish Homeland?

Oh, if that's who you mean, yes, our influence with them is zilch, and I am proud of it. Otherwise, who cares what you think, because you lie through your teeth! I would really like to know how many Palestinian supporters and collaborators and contributors you have. I doubt that you are relevant to them, and not only rumour has it, but quite a good number are on record stating that they can't bear you and how you operate and that they feel no representation from you.

And, if it's true that the SWP (of whom i personally don't care about) has tried to disengage from Atzmon, why can't you come up with the paperwork? Why should anyone believe you? You lied through your teeth for weeks and would not correct it about the signing of Hayo Meyer, Ellen Rohlfs and others, so why wouldn't you lie about all the rest too?

Tony Greenstein said...

Politically isolated from anyone with any influence in solidarity work with the Palestinians or the organisations that count.

For someone who accuses others of lying Mary is not bad at it herself! IJV have no position on 2or 1 state and has people who support both and neither in it.

We don't work with Palestinian collaborators. Or any other Zionists for that matter. We leave that to Mary and her contrarian friend.

Ah the petition in support of those '2 outstanding personalities'. Since noone could defend defending Mary & her anti-Semitic crony is it any wonder I raised the issue!!!

But Mary Mary quite Contrary is of course right. WHen the Gazan Palestinians are being besieged, far better to give solidarity to Mary & Crony.

joe90 said...

The usual mary rizzo
boilerplate claiming she is popular and that other people are liars etc etc

How many neo-nazis, antisemites, zionists and Rowan Berkeley-types subscribe to your antisemitic stink tank mary?


Mary Rizzo asks -
Do your three readers actually make up a chunk of the public that can compare with the "following" of those who you despise, sue and defame?
- I can't vouch for all the great work Tony Greenstein is repsonsible for, but I can say he gave a talk about the JNF-KKL to the founding meeting of IJAN.
This new organisation was the the subject of an Early Day Motion in the British Parliament -
News from SPSC - Early Day Motion in Parliament on IJAN
joe kane
JPUK
14 Nov 2008

Solidarity and activism starts at home, not abroad. Hence the reason it's mostly British people and British-based organisations that I get involved with. I can't speak for TG but I'm assuming that's where a lot of his time and energy will be spent on.

Try finding out about solidarity work going on in Italy from Mary, or solidarity work going on in the UK from Atzmon - you haven't got a snowballs chance in hell of finding out anything worthwhile about our sisters, brothers and comrades in either countries from these two rootless, cut-off and isolated publicity seekers and egotistic maniacs.

3 petitions atzmon-rizzo have to their name and all of them a complete waste of time.


...and we have a stable group of contributors (28, to be precise) and another 80 or so collaborators who send us articles on a regular basis.
- Mary confirming her credentials as an antismetic gatekeeper.
You have to laugh at her accusations against others of 'gatekeeping.
Her and her fellow political non-entities, such chairman goch, don't even know what the official Palestinian position is regarding 2-states, nor even the Hamas position, let alone anything about Palestinian history and the development of its nationalism.
A bunch of antisemitic, ignorant, know-nothing, rootless Europeans editing the work of Palestinians - you couldn't make it up!


From the people who go to the IJV meeting and state that they have to defend the two states before it is impossible to achieve? From Deborah who sings the praises of the Jewish Homeland?
- I take it you are trying to smear Deborah Maccoby.
Deborah has publicly renounced her 'Right of Return' and for years (as far as I have known her) has criticised the war crimes and racism of the current racist Israeli regime as well as those of her own British Government for supporting them.
What is there to criticise about Deborah?
If only others were as decent and honest as Deborah - I'll take that any day!


I like the name change - all the best TGB!

ps
Here's a comment I made on Lenin's Tomb blog -
The New Antisemitism
30 Nov 2008
joe90 kane 01 Dec 17:53

Tony Greenstein said...

Unfortunately Joe Mary's ego is somewhat bigger than her cerebral faculties, resulting in the need for seek cheap applause from those with nothing to say. Problem is that all the real stars in the firmament keep a wide birth of her and Atzmon because they are known to be dodgy.

When a member of Alef recently posted a link to her 'think tank' I pointed out the mistake and she apologised profusely for her mistake. But then she is an activist against the racism of Zionism so she is hardly likely to take to the Rizzo/Atzmon variety.

But yes, Mary's petitions were a real success at mobilising support for the Palestinians. Unlike the campaign to say boycott Eden Springs in Scotland, as Joe will be aware, or indeed the alternative carol service in London, organised by (horror of horrors!) Jews 4 Boycotting Israeli Goods (Zionists according to Atzmon/Rizzo!) which got pilloried in The Times, Jewish Chronicle and the other right-wing press resulting in them printing letters from Debbie Fink explaining just what it is about.

Or my own modest letter in the Guardian in support of Canon Paul Ostreicher. But then again - compared to Rizzo's magnificent site, all effort is futile because who could hope to match their joint egos?

Yes Rizzo's attack on Deborah Maccoby is full of the usual obnoxious nonsense. Debbie is not a Zionist but she does hold illusions in things like binationalism. Anti-racists and anti-Zionists and non-Zionists can have a fruitful debate whilst disagreeing. Anti-semites usually end up agreeing with the far-right that it's all the fault of 'the Jews'. A great analysis to be sure!

TG said...

Forgot to say you didn't post the link to the comment on Lenin's Tom Joe

mary said...

Tony: "When a member of Alef recently posted a link to her 'think tank' I pointed out the mistake and she apologised profusely for her mistake."

come out with the details on this, I'm interested! I still get the digests, but am actually too busy with real work to spend time yakking with the alefites.

yet, what is so enthralling in this is: it sounds like gatekeeping to me!
by the way, Latuff, who sent me the cartoon (I assume this is the problem, as about 200 hits came in from alef, and that could be what was the direct connection) is considered to be quite popular in the activism world. I think you would be hard pressed to find a reason that he too should be shoved into the Anti-Semitic farm you have created. If you find his work disgusting, think about the reasons why! And take it up with him.

And, for the rest, too bored to read it all or to comment on it, but Joe, as to soldarity activism... heard of the concert in Gaza the other day? that was organised by my friend Sameh from the PCAS, who came here to my home during his campaign in Italy and we discussed many projects. The concert was organised by him together with the Italian group I'm part of. If Tony spoke in a hall, nice. The Gaza concert was transmitted in the Arab ether.

It defies the imagination to see the way you people twist things! go on my site and write under the articles sent directly to me by Kathleen Christison, Franklin Lamb, James Petras and all the Arab contributors (can't say only Palestinian, because they come from many countries) and tell them they are anti-semitic or "collaborationists". I would love to see how they would respond to you when you are able to charge these things right in the lion's den! Much better to stay in your ghetto of ten readers (i will give you the benefit of the doubt that even Elf comes around!)

Why is it that even Norman Finkelstein takes posts from our site to publish, as well as hundreds of others, are they NeoNazis too?

Oh, and Joe, Debby indeed does support the obsolete concept of the Jewish Homeland, she said so in her own words, and Tony got all bent out of shape to try to defend that... with little success... as a matter of fact... I might just write about that on PTT!!!

joe90 kane said...

Oh, and Joe, Debby indeed does support the obsolete concept of the Jewish Homeland...
- Mary Rizzo prefers to criticise someone who nobody here is defending.

Mary Rizzo unable to defend her neo-nazi views and her campaign to de-judify the world prefers to criticise someone whose views are the most benign and anti-racist you will ever find on the subject of Israeli-Palestinian relations.

Indeed, there is very little in what Deborah Maccoby says which is not a re-statement of the 'international consensus' of which Hamas basically agrees is its position, and of which there were full page adverts the other week in Israeli newspapers paid for by the PLO and every other Arab institution and country of the region.

So benign indeed are Deborah's views about a 'Jewish homeland' that it is actually enshrined in the UN Declaration of Human Rights and the UN Charter. Everybody has the right, if they so wish, to form and be part of their own nation-state.

Deborah agrees with every other Arab organisation and institutions as well as the political representatives of the occupied Palestinians - and her views conform perfectly to the UN Charter and UN Decleration of Human Rights.

I am not defending Deborah, merely explaining her anti-racist views. Deborah is more than capable of defending herself.


As usual,
the antisemitic neo-nazi zionists of the anti-Palestinian Septic Tank show themselves to be once again completely rootless and adrift from the real world, caught up as they are, in the headlights of their own publicity seeking egos.

Indeed, Mary doesn't even believe her own sick antisemitic views about Jews being zionists.
Isn't Norman Finkelstein a zionist according to your own sick racist criteria Mary?
Or are you too afraid to argue with the great philospher-clown himself?

What about your 3 petitions Mary, that you spent so much time and energy defending?

Atzmon organising a music concert in Gaza - when he should be out de-judifying the world.
Talk about being a rootless parasite.
This sounds like just another entry in his professional musician cv to me.


Happy UN Human Rights Day to all at TBG!

ps
TG,
just to make it clear, I am not a member of any political organisation, just in case you're thinking I'm in the SWP.
I hope you don't mind my link to Lenin's Tomb - it was a comment I left illustrating the neo-nazi nature of Rizzo and Atzmon on the topic of the 'New Anti-Semitism'.

Just for the record, and I think it merits repeating, here is most of my Lenin's Tomb blog comment again -

Someone asks -
Is Gilad Atzmon antisemitic ?

Atzmon claims Jews are no better than Nazis -
...the only people who managed to maintain and sustain a racially orientated, expansionist and genocidal national identity that is not at all different from Nazi ethnic ideology are the Jews...
“The Wandering Who?”
02 Sept 2008

Atzmon really did his antisemitic credentials no harm when he justified the holocaust -
...the Jewish state and the sons of Israel are at least as unpopular in the Middle East as their grandparents were in Europe just six decades ago.
Gilad Atzmon - Saying NO to the Hunters of Goliath
13 08 2007

Trust Atzmon to try to go one better than holocaust deniers and become a 'holocaust justifier' (my term).


The other half-wit in this double act, Mary Rizzo, out-did the philospher-clown, when she justified the Nazi system of Work-Concentration-Death Camps when she asked -
...it is indeed ridiculous for anyone to keep trying to point out that there was Anti-jewish sentiment in Europe during the 30s and 40s. Why the hell else were there extermination and concentration and labour camps?
Comment by 'thecutter 24 April 2008 08:02
'The Death of Mary Rizzo's 'PeacePalestine' Sewer'
azavs blog
21 Apr 2008

pps
New shopping boycott initiative here in the UK -
Palestine Israel Ethical Shopping Initiative

Tony Greenstein said...

Joe

I didn't think you were a member of the SWP and I have no problem with you providing a link to Lenin's Tomb, though in fact there was no link anyway!

Richard Seymour who runs it has made it clear that he would like to see the SWP dissociate themselves from Atzmon, so no problem there.

mary said...

Tony, you still have to respond to your claim:

Tony: "When a member of Alef recently posted a link to her 'think tank' I pointed out the mistake and she apologised profusely for her mistake."

You have the obligation to come out with the details on this, because if you don't it's one more case of you inventing situations and lying. You and I both know it's not true, but I want to see what you come up with here!!!

joe90 kane said...

Thanks for that Tony.

I have found that sometimes the links to comments work a bit funny, especially in Firefox browser. Although it might be just me.
Hence the reason I try to give the time and date of any comment so that it can still be located manually if the link fails.

That link works fine in my Firefox browser though, just to let you know.
Here it is again -
The New Antisemitism
30 Nov 2008
joe90 kane 01 Dec 17:53

all the best TG!

REJ GOCH said...

Joe a member of the SWP - they can't be that desperate! Where did you get the idea that Mary wants to be popular. The point that she was making was that the website was popular. You'll notice that she doesn't call it Mary Rizzo's website unlike Tony whose own ego
has to be at the centre of everything.

Tony Greenstein said...

Mary, I know you are a few bricks short of a loaf, but I don't have to respond to my comments or claims! That is your job.

You dispute that "When a member of Alef recently posted a link to her 'think tank' I pointed out the mistake and she apologised profusely for her mistake."

Apparently I have an obligation to 'come out with the details on this', because I don't it's another case of me 'inventing situations and lying.'

And confident of her case Mary states that 'You and I both know it's not true, but I want to see what you come up with here!!!'

Poor Mary. Accusations of lying are her staple fare it would seem. I have no obligation to provide details of private conversations other than the fact that they may have occurred and the gist of what was said. This I have done.

In fact it is pretty easy for Mary to find out herself. There has only been one, to my recollection, instance recently of someone (other than Mary) posting references to the Lack of Thought Tank. It shouldn't be too difficult for Mary to track down who was that and badger them if she wishes but I won't divulge actual details such as names because that would be discourteous, although I have no doubt that the person in question will be more than happy to affirm what I have said.

joe90 kane said...

chairman goch
the court jester of the philospher-clown atzmon.
Goch nobody, with the invisible revolutionary cv he's so proud of, he refuses to publish it. Given the fact he hasn't a clue about Palestinian politics doesn't surprise me either.
Who was desperate enough to have you as a member for 30 years richard wilson, the keystone kops maybe?

When it seemed that left-wing sectarian politics might be rearing its ugly head, up popped goch's, like the true well-trained pavlovian washed-up lefty that he is.

According to keystone goch's criteria,
Hamas, and every other Palestinian organisation and Arab government you can think of, are all zionists. So indeed is the Palestine Solidarity Campaign itself.

Maybe keystone goch has changed his criteria for who he will allow to take part in debate about issues to do with former Mandate Palestine. Talk about antisemitic gatekeepers.

I recommend Revolutionary Richard sticks to making comments of no merit whatsoever. He is completely out of his depth when it comes to reality, much like his fellow antisemitic spouter of neo-nazi propaganda and self-styled de-judifier, Mary Rizzo.

You'll notice that she doesn't call it Mary Rizzo's website unlike
- No, she uses Palestinians as human shields and human sandbags to hide behind. She exploits Palestinian pain and suffering to peddle neo-nazi filth and antisemitic crap about de-judifying the rest of the world.
Has she stopped putting her name on every article she gatekeeps - and what about the 'Mary's Choice' in big letters on the homepage?



Anyway back to serious things -
Mary Rizzo claims she had someone round her place for tea and biscuits, and that she and her clever, fellow, white Europeans helped the Palestinians organise a music concert - that's what Mary Rizzo claims as solidarity work.

Mary Rizzo equates organising a music gig and having visitors to her house with two British examples of solidarity work. One involved the British Parliament, and the other involved the organised collective effort that has resulted in the imminent demise of an Israel water company working in Scotland.

Anybody can organise gigs and tea buffets Mary.
Are Palestinians too stupid that they need white priviliged antisemitic gatekeeping Europeans to do it for them?

On the other hand,
Palestinians cannot organise work in British Parliamentary representative democracy. Only British taxpayers, voters and concerned citizens can do that.
Likewise in Scotland. Only through the organised, collective efforts of Scottish/British people can they get rid of Israeli companies and representatives of that state.

We, in Britian, don't need to help Palestinians organise music gigs. They can do that for themselves. We are quite sure of that.
What we have to do are things Palestinians can't do, which is why they ask us to do it for them, and which is why we then go and do it.

I have never heard of any official Palestinian institution or body specifically demanding of British voters and taxpayers that they organise a music gig or that they prepare a hearty breakfast for them each morning.

Anyway Mary, how does organising tea and biscuit mornings help de-judify the world?

mary said...

oh God Tony, what did Shakespeare write about Deception?? You (and anyone who believes the lies you spread) should be worrying about your sense of ethics, since your only way to communicate anything is to make things up and lie, in order to bring "disrepute" upon others. Those who defend your lying are actually to be shamed just as much.

of course you won't reprint it here, because your claims about "profuse apologies" are LIES! Fabrication and lies.

Obviously I checked it out, and it doesn't make you look too good. I hope you have a really good dentist, because here is the proof of your (umpteenth) case of lying through your teeth with anything regarding me, my sites, Atzmon and many other issues. I wonder if you would die if they issued you the truth serum.

My letter to the person who Tony is using this time in his lying game:

hello Dorothy, i haven't been participating on Alef for many reasons, especially that it is basically just for me to be attacked by Tony Greenstein any time I even utter my mouth.


However, I've been working very hard on Palestine Think Tank. www.palestinethinktank.com which has become a very big site in its short lifetime!


I found out that Greenstein claimed that someone sent something from PTT to Alef and he said he explained that it was verboten and that the woman who did it, "apologised profusely". I did try to look the situation up, and all i could find was a copy of the PTT digest that you forwarded, nothing following that. Could you explain the situation to me if you were the one who profusely aplogised?


wishing you well,
mary


From Dorothy Naor,
Hi Mary,
I am not the woman who profusely apologized, not for this, in any case. I apologized for a request that Uri Davis sent out (for a washing machine swap) after I'd sent out a request for an apartment swap for Deb Reich, who lives in Wahat el-salam/Neve Shalom, and who will be in the States for several months. My business in distributing and the lists that I distribute to do not normally engage in such things, but since many of my readers live in the States, and Wahat el-Salam is rather a different experience from just living in most places in Israel, I did that one. Uri's request for swap on the same request that I sent out was, in my meager opinion, totally out of place. Deb requested me to do this, meaning she had to have my permission, Uri did not. Other than that, so far as I recall, I only this one time PTT to Alef, and had no idea that it was not wanted. I received it from a man with whom I've been in contact with for years--a 1948 refugee from Jaffa, who lives in Jordon, and often sends PTT stuff out. I don't usually forward, because my intention is to inform. But I thought that this one (the one that I distributed to Alef and to many other organizations) was particularly apt--both the cartoon and the article. Beyond the response that PTT should not be sent to Alef (I don't remember the exact response, but that was the sense that I made of it), I know nothing. I often distribute to Alef, but haven't time to read much, because I just don't have time for chit chat. But lots of important stuff gets to it, and when that happens I usually file for when I'll have time.
All the best,
Dorothy
PS. I personally have nothing against PTT.

Tony Greenstein said...

Before Mary becomes too hysterical. Yes Dorothy didn't profusely apologise but she clearly expressed regret for not having read the nonsense she reposted first and, more importantly, promised not to repeat her error.

The actual e-mail, since it's now in the public domain reads:

Now can you calm down Mary?

>>Thanks, Tony.

I receive them forwarded by a man who lives in Jordan, but who is a Palestinian refugee from Jaffa. Normally I barely glance through them, because they don't contain information of the type that I think needs to be gotten out. This one seemed apt--particularly the cartoon. But I won't send more.

I just had a complaint from someone that my message tonight showed no compassion for the Jews who were killed in Mumbai. Of course the killings distressed me, but the numbers of killed are expected to be around 200. That distressed me more. Still, I guess I should have said something. Anyhow, I responded as best I could, and apologized, even though I don't think that the Jews who were killed are more important than the other victims who died. Sad.

Dorothy

mary said...

joe, your spew deserves no reply, since you are full of crap! You might just not waste your time, if I can't be arsed to read it, I doubt anyone else is!

Tony, the one and only... You are talking about badgering and YOU are badgering someone to not send out what YOU don't want to see. Gatekeeping in grand style!

There you go, I catch you in a lie and you come up with total crap. Let's look at the facts:
Tony: Yes Dorothy didn't profusely apologise
Mary: changing your story some, huh cap'n? So now that the stuff is public, she didn't do what you said she did, Good move! In future try to write things as they are, because sooner or later, the truth comes out.

Tony: but she clearly expressed regret for not having read the nonsense she reposted first and, more importantly, promised not to repeat her error.

Mary: look what she said,
She gets mails forwarded from a man from Jordan, who she also told me is a '48 refugee who often sends her the material. She said she does not criticise the site or the content. In fact, she tells me personally,
"I received it from a man with whom I've been in contact with for years--a 1948 refugee from Jaffa, who lives in Jordon, and often sends PTT stuff out. I don't usually forward, because my intention is to inform. But I thought that this one (the one that I distributed to Alef and to many other organizations) was particularly apt--both the cartoon and the article."

She wrote to you, after being badgered:

"I receive them forwarded by a man who lives in Jordan, but who is a Palestinian refugee from Jaffa. Normally I barely glance through them, because they don't contain information of the type that I think needs to be gotten out. This one seemed apt--particularly the cartoon. But I won't send more."

Mary: again, she does in NO way criticise PTT or the article and MAKES NO APOLOGIES, much less PROFUSE ones! She won't send more to Alef? and this spells out what exactly? Perhaps because she knows you use it as a flame war pretext. In addition, she doesn't need to read through the digests, she's been on my mailing list since Pepa days. She wrote to me, re your obsession with me, "sorry that you are having problems. we have enough major ones without personal ones."

She is intelligent enough to know that you, Greenstien, simply are unable to look at the content of something without your a prioristic bias, and especially interesting is the fact that you doth protest ever so greatly at something that was deemed particularly interesting by an exiled Palestinian. Aren't you supposed to have the same interests? Or maybe not... And maybe this is why she won't send the entire digest, because it brings out your prejudice. Everyone saw the game playing you did Re Hajo and Ellen, and how you were demonstrated as a dyed in the wool liar and still you and Shraga persisted in your lies, (who was pushing whom is none of my business, but he made a big enough fool of himself...) Now you want to try it with Dorothy. It doesn't work.

And, what is even MORE interesting is the fact that she wrote that her Regret, which has nothing to do with PTT, but with the compassion for Jews that was not being expressed by her specifically where someone was ignoring the other Mumbai deaths and concentrating on the Jewish or Israeli ones.

Soon we will be seeing your next exhibit, try at least this time to keep the hyperbole at bay! I get the alef digest too, and there are some quotes of yours that I think I will save for a rainy day!

joe90 kane said...

joe, your spew deserves no reply, since you are full of crap! You might just not waste your time, if I can't be arsed to read it, I doubt anyone else is!
- The screaming skull strikes again!

Mary Rizzo cannot openly defend, never mind discuss, her antisemitism and her exploitation of Palestinian suffering in order to peddle her neo-nazi filth.

Your racism is indefensible Mary, hence the reason you never try to defend it.

Hence the reason also, you stay at the level of gossip and tittle-tattle about whether someone did or did not say something about your 'outstanding personality', on a discussion board somewhere or other.

Mary is apoplectic with unvented spleen and rage about what exactly?
Nothing of any importance to anybody except her and her ego.

REJ GOCH said...

I have just read Joe's comments about me. As usual he puts words into my mouth that I have never spoken or written and witters on about matters of no consequence whatsoever. In spite of all TG's promises to cut out gratuitous abuse he still gives free rein to Kane's defamation. Be very careful, because there are limits and it would be wise to stop Kane now and apologise before my patience runs out.

joe90 kane said...

...free rein to Kane's defamation.
- My defamation being what exactly?

Trying to silence your critics by false accusations and trying to intimidate them with the law - talk about antisemitic gatekeepers!

Here was goch trying the same tactic not too long ago -
Yes I have read the malicious libels you disseminate as well as other relevant texts in full....
12 May 2008 14:33
Gilad Atzmon joins with Antony Julius to Attack Jewish Anti-Zionists


You can't defend Atzmon and Rizzo's antisemitism and their dissemination of neo-Nazi propaganda so you try intimidation instead, to silence valid criticism and debate.

Unless you disagree with them too, goch, which you have never done. Maybe you'd like to defend them now?

Maybe you'd even like to defend the Ernst Zundel fanclub and the champions of paedophilia that run Dier Yassin Remembered, so recently featured on the Palestine Septic Tank?


...it would be wise to stop Kane now and apologise before my patience runs out.
- Why, what are you going to do if you're patience runs out, you hypocrite?

You are abusive towards me but it seems you operate double standards because others have to treat you with the respect you don't give them.


As usual he puts words into my mouth that I have never spoken or written
- It's difficult to know what goch's talking about but I'll take it he's denying his own criteria that anyone who supports the 'international consensus' and 2-state solution for the problems of the former Mandate Palestine is a zionist.
See goch's comment here, and following -
14 June 2008 13:17
ENGAGE Hypocrites Support Finkelstein's Arrest & Deportation



Where's your cv then goch?

REJ GOCH said...

Try reading what you wrote about me then provide evidence for your defamation. OR if you are sensible stop this nonsense and apologise. Bear in mind that the defamation is published by TG and that if he continues to publish it then he is liable too.

Tony Greenstein said...

It seems Mr Goch, who has never posted one single comment making any substantive point, who has nothing to say about the Palestinians or their situation or Zionism or indeed anything, is now getting all worked up.

Apparently he has been libelled and as the 'publisher' I bear the responsibility. I guess I do but I don't accept that there has been any libel of Mr Goch and I have of course given him every opportunity to respond to said 'libels'.

Whilst I cannot comment on the question of Goch's limited patience (typical school teacher!) he should try and behave more like the revolutonary he claims to be.

Any chance of hearing of your ideas Goch, what you believe in etc. or are you simply part of the flattering and fawning chorus that Atzmon likes to patronise?