My Interviews with Rania Khalek & Katie Halper & my Glasgow Demonstration Speech March 2024

 As Zionism moves towards its Final Solution, Trump, Starmer and Germany’s Genocidal leaders Remain Fulsome in Their Support of Israel’s ‘Right To Defend Itself’

Zionism’s Endgame: a ‘Final Solution’ for the Palestinians, w/ Tony Greenstein

We are living in a world where our rulers don’t even pretend to be on the side of the angels. Their amorality is a badge of pride.

As far as Trump is concerned all that matters in Ukraine is American access to Ukraine’s rare minerals. Likewise in Gaza, never mind the people, what is important is the potential value of Mediterranean real estate.  The fact that 2 million people live there is irrelevant.

Fact Check on Genocidal Song on Israel’s Kan Public Broadcaster

You might think that after 4 genocides to their credit that the German state would be reluctant to support a fifth genocide. Not a bit of it. German politicians have embraced Israel’s genocide in Gaza because it makes them feel better about their own genocides. What could be better than a ‘Jewish’ state perpetrating the genocide.

Israel's Oldest & Most Popular Podcast - 2 Nice Jewish Boys Discuss Erasing Gaza

Zionism and its bastard state, has played the role of helping the German State come to terms with the Nazi holocaust. Now that a far-right party, the AfD, a large portion of whose membership consists of neo-Nazis, has come second in the elections, the German state is moving towards a relativisation of the Holocaust. It is no surprise that Israel’s Diaspora Minister is a fan of Hitler saluting Elon Musk.

The Netherland's Fascist Leader Geert Wilders and Israel's Labor President Isaac Herzog Get On Famously

After all. If Israel can perpetrate a holocaust in Gaza why should Germany be forever burdened with a guilt complex over its holocaust?  It is difficult to argue with such logic.

Israel’s Friendship Song of Annihilation – as sung by Israeli school children

For those who doubt that Germany has participated in 5 genocides then here they are: the Maji Maji genocide in East Africa/Tanganyika, the Nama/Herero genocide, the Turkish genocide of Armenia (Germany was in alliance with Turkey in  WW1), the Jewish/Nazi holocaust and now the Israeli holocaust in Gaza.

I say this by way of introduction. Netanyahu has done all he could to get back to the genocide in Gaza and has broken the ceasefire repeatedly. Less aid has gone in than was agreed, Israeli soldiers have repeatedly killed civilians and as I write the release of the last batch of Palestinian hostages has been delayed on another pretext.

Tony Greenstein at the Glasgow Anti-Racist/Palestine Solidarity Demonstration March 2024

There isn’t an agreement that Israel has been party to that hasn’t been broken.  Israel was supposed to be out of Lebanon but it is now saying that it will maintain 5 permanent bases, naturally in support of its ‘right to self defence’. It has also made it clear that it is staying in Southern Syria following the fall of Assad.

I sometimes think how unlucky Nazi Germany was with its propaganda chief. Goebbels really wasn’t up to it. If Hitler had the benefit of the Daily Mail and BBC then every conquest he made could have been presented as an act of self-defence.

Israel’s goal today remains the same. The removal of the Palestinians from Gaza. In my interview with Rania I was sceptical of their ability to pull it off but as time goes on I am increasingly fearful that they may get away with a large-scale ‘transfer’ given the supine nature of the Arab leaders and the willingness of the Americans to support it.

European leaders’ opposition isn’t worth a bucket of warm spit. We can see Netanyahu prepare the ground with his ludicrous lies that the two Bibas children were killed by Hamas.  We should treat this story on a par with the allegations that Hamas had chopped off the heads of 40 babies which what the media ran with.  It was a lie then and it is a lie now.

But who should leap out to amplify the false stories that Netanyahu, an inveterate and well known liar peddled?  Why our own snake-like Foreign Secretary, David Lammy and of course the viperous Sturmer himself.

Hostage kisses Hamas

Those who repeat Israel’s lies about child-killers are deliberately paving the way for a continued genocide and ethnic cleansing in Gaza. Instead of directing their fire at the torture, starvation, rapind to death and the appalling condition of the Palestinian hostages and noting the welcome and friendly relations of many of the Israeli prisoners with their Palestinian captors, Starmer and the BBC focus on yet more Zionist atrocity propaganda.

All the evidence is, as Yocheved Lifshitz said, that Hamas treated Israel's captives humanely

The vile killing of the Bibas children by Hamas terrorists is sick and abhorrent, as is the failure to return the body of their mother Shiri to the grieving family. Her body must be returned. The hostages must be released. This nightmare must end. https://t.co/dScjVpbySh

— David Lammy (@DavidLammy) February 21, 2025

There is little doubt that Netanyahu and his fellow war-criminals are itching to restart the genocide. It is incumbent upon the anti-war movement in this country to step up the protests. Starmer and Lammy have not issued on word of protest at Israel’s mistreatment of the Palestinian prisoners, their humiliating release and abuse. The token demonstrations wandering through London have to step up. Our first rallying point should be the BBC and the Metropolitan Police with their ‘anti-Semitism’ scam should be told to go to hell. We will meet at the BBC because they are the originators of the lies that facilitate genocide.

Interviews with Katie Halper and Rania Khalek

In January and February I was interviewed on a wide range of topics by Katie Halper and Rania Khalek. These included my arrest on October 4 for calling Israel ‘Hitler’s Bastard Offspring’. The filth didn’t like the comparison. They even thought it was anti-Semitic though the thick plod were unable to explain why in my interview.

As I explained to Katie, anti-Zionist Jews are invisible so perhaps that is why. But if they weren’t so stupid they would understand that Zionism is of Christian not Jewish origin.  Jews always opposed Zionism until the holocaust apart from a few freaks and reactionaries.

Of course today the Zionists exploit the holocaust for all its worth with Gilad Erdan, Israel’s representative to the UN donning a Yellow Star. His comparison with the Jewish dead of the holocaust was sickening. If he had had any integrity he would have worn a swastika.  Zionism has always exploited the Jews who died in the holocaust whom Zionism turned its back on.

According to Chaim Weizmann, Israel’s first President, the Jews who died in the holocaust were:

dust on the wheels of history and they may have to be blown away. We don’t want them pouring into Palestine. We don’t want Tel Aviv to become another low-grade ghetto.

Erdan ‘forgot’ to mention that during the Hitler era the Zionists were the Nazis favourite Jews. Explaining why Zionists were the good Jews, unlike the ‘assimilationist’ Jews who kept on insisting that they were Jewish Germans, Reinhardt Heydrich, head of the SS, said:

The activity of the Zionist-oriented youth organisations that are engaged in the occupational restructuring of the Jews … lies in the interest of the National Socialist state’s leadership. (These organizations) are not to be treated with that strictness that it is necessary to apply to the members of the so-called German-Jewish organizations (assimilationists).

I also explained my own conversion to anti-Zionism having been brought up in a Zionist family. I was brought up on the lie that the Palestinian refugees voluntarily left their homes and villages rather than being expelled at the point of a gun.

I also explained how, when Zionism first arose, the only people who welcomed it were anti-Semites and that this is true today too.  I specifically mentioned the President of America’s million strong Christians United 4 Israel, John Hagee, who gave a sermon explaining why Hitler was god’s emissary sent to drive the Jews to Palestine.

Orthodox Jews in particular opposed Zionism. Agudat Yisrael was founded as a specifically anti-Zionist organisation. This gives the lie to the claims of Britain’s racist Chief Rabbi, Ephraim Mirvis that Zionism and Judaism have been intertwined for 3,000 years.

I also went into the content of my book in some depth explaining that for the Zionists building a ‘Jewish’ state was the first priority in the holocaust and that Ben-Gurion is notorious for saying that if there was a choice to be made between rescuing and saving Jews and building their bastard state, the latter comes first. 

When Britain offered to take 10,000 Jewish children in the wake of Kristallnacht the Zionists were outraged that they weren’t going to Palestine. In a speech to Mapai’s (Israeli Labor Party) Central Committee Ben-Gurion said:

If I knew that it would be possible to save all the children in Germany by bringing them over to England, and only half of them by transporting them to Eretz Yisrael, then I would opt for the second alternative. For we must weigh not only the life of these children, but also the history of the People of Israel.

I also described the Kasztner Affair and the resulting trial in Israel from 1954-8 when the leader of Hungarian Zionism, a senior official and candidate in Mapai (the Israeli Labor Party) for the next elections, Rudolf Kasztner, sued for libel when he was accused of being a Nazi collaborator. He lost when it transpired that he had spent his time post-war at Nuremberg testifying in favour of Nazi war criminals.

Kasztner had concluded a deal with Eichmann that if the Nazis agreed to a train out of Hungary for the select few (Zionists, bourgeois and a few rabbis) he would not inform Hungarian Jews of the Auschwitz Protocols which two escapees from Auschwitz had written detailing where they would go if they boarded a deportation train. Up till then no one knew that Auschwitz was an extermination camp. Kasztner went so far as to misinform those who were deported that they were travelling to a fictious resettlement camp, Kenyermeze.

With Rania I gave an outline of the development of Zionist historiography of the holocaust and how it had been distorted to accord with Zionist myths of Jewish resistance. Zionism has rewritten the letters and memoirs of the Zionist resistance fighters in the Warsaw ghetto eliminating their criticisms of the Zionist movement.  This was in order that their writings should accord with the Zionist narrative that they led the resistance and were heroes rather than sordid collaborators.

The Zionist historians had also erased entirely the role of Jewish anti-Zionists, in particular the Jewish anti-Zionist Bund and its leader, the last Commander of the Resistance, Marek Edelman.

With Rania I first discussed Trump’s ethnic cleansing plans. I was sceptical that they would succeed but I am less so now as all the indications are that Israel is looking for an excuse to resume the genocide.

We discussed the reaction of Israeli Jews to the plan. 80% support it and just 3% think its amoral. Which means that 97% of Israelis are not only amoral bastards but genocidaires too.  The other 17% either can’t make their mind up about it or think it’s not practical.

I imagine some Nazis also thought the extermination of Jews, Poles, Gays, Roma etc. was not practical. This is the morality of Israelis and that’s why I find it hard to explain why in a democratic, secular state  Israeli Jews would have the right to national rights as Jews. It is difficult explaining why Palestinians should be forced to live side by side with genocidal would be murderers.

There is an overwhelming case for American Jews with 2 passports, especially the settlers on the West Bank, to be deported back to Brooklyn.

I also explained that Hitler didn’t start out with a plan to genocide the Jews. His plan, like the Zionists was ethnic cleansing.  It was only when that failed that genocide became his only option if he wanted to be rid of the Jews. The same ‘dilemma’ faces the Zionists.  If it can’t be expulsion it must be holocaust.

I went into how the very history of the holocaust had been rewritten by the Zionists to emphasise Jewish resistance, despite it being very low apart from the Warsaw Ghetto and a few others such as at Bialystock which went off at half cock, Lachwa and Minsk.

We discussed the situation of Arab Jews in Israel and how Israel deliberately set out to destabilise their position in 1948. In Iraq it is well documented that they planted bombs in synagogues and other places Jews frequented in order to stimulate flight. Avi Shlaim, an Emeritus Professor at Oxford University in his book Three Worlds has recently come up with further proof of Zionist involvement in the bombings.

When the Zionist underground threw a grenade into the courtyard of the Masudo Shemtov synagogue in Baghdad, killing 2 people, they stimulated a mass emigration of the oldest Jewish community in the world.  Out of 135,000 Jews only 10,000 remained after 1951.

I also told how when they arrived in Israel Iraq’s Jews were treated like animals and were sprayed with DDT. Three Worlds also explains how a rich cultured community were turned into poor labourers in Israel, forced to sleep in tents and how they were deArabised.

I described how Holocaust Worship today leads to the creation of holocaust museums (but not for Black slaves or the Native Indians) such as the United States  Holocaust Museum where history has been rewritten.  When I went there Pastor Niemoller’s saying ‘First they came for ...’ was hanging above the entrance except it had been changed. The first category was ‘First they came for the communists’ but that wouldn’t do in cold war America so it was omitted.

I also showed how two-thirds of the members of the Judenrate, the Nazi Councils that the Nazis established to help implement the Final Solution, were Zionist. It was the Judenrate and not the Nazis who rounded up Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto. Rania observed that the Palestinian Authority was the Palestinian equivalent of the Judenrate!

I quoted Hannah Arendt who said in her book Eichmann in Jerusalem that

Wherever Jews lived, there were recognized Jewish leaders, and this leadership, almost without exception, cooperated in one way or another, for one reason or another, with the Nazis. The whole truth was that if the Jewish people had really been unorganized and leaderless, there would have been chaos and plenty of misery but the total number of victims would hardly have been between four and a half and six million people.[1]

I told how the Warsaw ghetto resistance’s first task was to execute Jewish collaborators. They couldn’t have organised a rebellion with the collaborators operating. This is equally true of the Palestinian revolution. It too has to execute its collaborators.

Katie discussed my book, Zionism During the Holocaust in some depth in particular how the Zionist movement has weaponised Jewish suffering and anti-Semitism whilst refusing to draw any universal lessons from the Holocaust. I also spoke about my arrest under the Terrorism Acts and the attacks on the Palestine solidarity movement in Britain and Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU1xaPJYDXg

The Katie Halper Show – Interview with Tony Greenstein, Jenny Manson & Rabbi Herschel Gluck

I won’t even attempt to summarise the topics we discussed but I enjoyed both interviews which were penetrating and thoughtful. At a time when Israel is committing genocide in Gaza as a consequence of colonial expansion and in the cause of racial purity, it is incumbent on Jewish anti-Zionists to speak out against the horrors that are taking place in our name.

Another point of comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany is Israel’s policy of starvation of Gaza’s civilian population. This is taken straight out of the Nazi playbook. 20% of the Warsaw ghetto, some 80,000 people, died from starvation. An even higher percentage died in Lodz, the second biggest ghetto in Poland. Hans Frank, the Nazi governor of Poland, spoke of Death By Hunger as does Bezalel Smotrich, Israel’s Finance Minister, who is of the opinion that starving 2 million people to death would be ‘moral’ if only the West would allow him to get away with it!

The mass executions that Israel has carried out and the mass graves, to say nothing of the torture camps, resemble nothing so much as the Nazi policies towards the civilian population of the countries they occupied. In some ways they are worse.

The major difference between Nazi Germany and Israel is that anti-Semitism in Germany itself was mainly confined to a hardcore of the Nazi party, the ‘old fighters’ whereas in Israel genocidal racism is supported by the overwhelming majority of the Jewish population.

This is perhaps best summed up in the hilarious story of a Zionist who went in search of Palestinians to kill in Miami Beach, Florida and ended up shooting two Israelis who he thought looked like Palestinians! The Israelis, assuming it was an anti-Semitic attack by Palestinians, signed off with ‘death to the Arabs’ on Facebook.

According to the bogus IHRA ‘definition’ of anti-Semitism, it is anti-Semitic to compare Israel to Nazi Germany (but is it anti-German to compare Nazi Germany to Israel?!). Yet Israelis go out of their way to draw such parallels themselves. A Nazi mentality has descended on the Jewish population of Israel.

An article in Ha’aretz 'When You Leave Israel and Enter Gaza, You Are God': described how many soldiers in Gaza reported moral injuries: "I felt like, like, like a Nazi ... it looked exactly like we were actually the Nazis and they were the Jews."

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[1]        Arendt, p. 125.

The History of Zionism’s Attempts to Deny the Armenian Holocaust

 How the Israeli State Did Its Best to Destroy an Academic Conference which included the Armenian Genocide

For Zionism the Jewish holocaust is a unique event unlike any other genocide. Whilst accepting that some 1.5 million Armenians killed by Turkey was a ‘parallel, or a holocaust-related event’ Zionist historian Lucy Dawidowicz cited ‘the uniqueness of the fate of the Jews experienced’ [i] Yehuda Bauer, the dean of the Zionist historians, also argued that there was ‘an element of uniqueness in the history of the (Nazi) holocaust.’ Nazi ideology saw the Jews as being the ‘incarnation of the Devil.’ [ii]

The role that the Armenians played in the Ottoman Empire as a ‘middleman minority’ was very similar to that of the Jews. [iii] The Armenians were largely concentrated in eastern Anatolia, many of them merchants and industrialists,

Just as the Nazis had invented the stab-in-the-back legend alleging that the Jews had caused their defeat in WW1, so too did the Turks, holding the Armenians responsible for their defeats in World War 1.[iv]

On 24 April Joe Biden formally recognized the Armenian holocaust, 106 years after it happened. Israel however refuses to recognize the genocide. To the Zionists the only genocide that matters is the Jewish one.

Despite having ignored and downplayed the Jewish holocaust when it was taking place, the Zionist movement reacts angrily to holocaust deniers. Unfortunately the Zionists are not motivated by opposition in principle to genocide denial other than when it comes to the Jewish genocide. This is because the Jewish holocaust lies at the core of Zionism’s narrative of self-justification.

If the Zionists had any principled objection to genocide denial then they would apply that principle to the Armenian genocide which is widely recognised to be the first holocaust of the 20^th century. Yet far from recognising and remembering the Armenian holocaust, which prefigured the Jewish holocaust, Zionism has gone out of its way to play down what happened or even pretend that it did not happen.

The Zionist whitewashing of the record of the Turkish state vs the Armenians began with the founder of Political Zionism, Theodor Herzl. In order to secure a charter for Palestine, Herzl agreed to support Ottoman Turkey in the wake of its massacre of the Armenians in the mid-1890s. Herzl wrote how

Yesterday I telegraphed the N. Fr. Presse, a rather long Entrefilet (notice) presenting the local, undeniably critical situation in a manner friendly to the government.[v]

 

 

Bernard Lazarre, who led the campaign to exonerate Dreyfus was a prominent supporter of the Armenians. Lazare resigned from the Zionist Actions Committee as a result of Herzl’s actions. He ‘could find no place in Herzl’s essentially reactionary movement.’ [vi] In an open letter to Herzl Lazarre asked:

‘How can those who purport to represent the ancient people… extend a welcoming hand to murderers, and no delegate to the Zionist Congress rises up in protest?’’[vii] 

To be fair the Zionist Congress of 1933 in Prague didn’t rise up in protest at the rise to power of the Nazis either! Israeli diplomats and politicians supported Turkey’s opposition to a memorial day to commemorate the Armenian genocide.^[viii] Israel opposed the concept of the holocaust expanding.^[ix]

In How Israel Quashed Efforts to Recognize the Armenian Genocide – to Please Turkey Ha'aretz demonstrated how, in the summer of 1982, the Israeli Foreign Ministry made strenuous efforts to destroy a Conference on Genocide in Tel Aviv which included the Armenian holocaust. No expense was spared in order to please the Turkish regime.

Yad Vashem, the Zionist holocaust propaganda museum, agreed to withdraw its sponsorship of the conference.

“Our first objective is to neutralize Yad Vashem as an official national body from taking part in including the Armenians in the conference,”

a recently released Foreign Ministry document revealed.

The Ministry’s next target was Tel Aviv University rector and future president Prof. Yoram Dinstein. Moshe Gilboa reported that he met with Dinstein and explained to him “the background for our objection to the inclusion of the Armenian issue.” The result was that Dinstein’s office sent a letter detailing their concerns about the event. Tel Aviv University declined to take part.

The Ministry also attacked the funding sources of the conference and the Henrietta Szold Institute agreed not to provide funding for it. Elie Wiesel, the Auschwitz survivor and future Nobel Peace Prize winner also agreed to withdraw as Chair of the Conference. 

After Wiesel pulled out he shared internal information about the conference with the Foreign Ministry. Wiesel met with Naphtali Lau-Lavie, Israel's general consul in New York and discussed ways “to cancel the Armenian section" of the conference. One idea being “to prevent such a discussion in the plenum” and to transfer it to “workshops” on the sidelines, so it would not be given publicity.

Wiesel, together with Arthur Hertzberg of the American Jewish Committee and Yad Vashem, attempted to destroy the conference. Wiesel lobbied other delegates into not attending.[x] A number of prominent historians, including Zionist holocaust historian, Prof. Yehuda Bauer, agree not to attend. 

“We continue to act to reduce and diminish the Armenian issue to the extent of our ability by every possible means,”

according to one Foreign Ministry document from the summer of 1982.

Israel’s Foreign Ministry also tried to get the conference canceled outright. Negotiations were conducted with the conference organizers, headed by Israel Charny, an American-Israeli psychologist, who was offered compensation if he agreed to cancel it.

Turkish soldiers standing over the skulls of dead Armenian villagers

Israeli embassies around the world tried to persuade potential participants to cancel their attendance. One document stated that

“We are currently trying to dissuade the invitees from taking part.” “I propose that we instruct the general consul to contact Wiesel and request that he disassociate himself from the conference,”

wrote Elyakim Rubinstein, the legal adviser to the Foreign Ministry, now a Supreme Court justice who, along with fellow judges, repeatedly rule that information on Israel’s links with repressive regimes abroad should be concealed.

Because they couldn’t prevent the conference from taking place, the Foreign Ministry proposed to plant articles in the press that would be critical of Israel’s attempts to prevent the conference from taking place. These articles would “serve as our alibi, in the Turks’ eyes,” ministry officials hoped. When the conference did eventually take place, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs spied on the event and reported back.

Alon Liel, the Foreign Ministry’s representative in Turkey, warned that

“if the Armenian section is included in the conference, it will have grave implications for Israeli-Turkish relations.”

The Israeli government’s excuse was that if the conference went ahead as planned then Turkey would retaliate by not allowing Jewish emigrants to Israel to pass through Turkey. 

Professor Charny has just published a book "Israel’s Failed Response to the Armenian Genocide: Denial, State Deception, Truth Versus Politicization of History." Charny argues that the Turkish threat was “an invention”. He bases this view on a 1982 document in which Israel’s general consul in Istanbul at the time, Avner Arazi, wrote that the fear of a severe Turkish reaction was highly exaggerated.

Charny described the Armenian genocide as a ‘dress rehearsal for the holocaust’. Israeli historian Bat Ye’or described how the Germans, allies of the Turks in WW1, were present at the massacres and that ‘this history lesson was remembered one generation later, when Hitler planned a genocide…’ [xi] Bernard Lewis a prominent Zionist historian was convicted in a French court of denying the Armenian genocide.[xii]

Michael Birnbaum, one of the founders of the US Holocaust Museum wrote in Charny's new book that people at the Israeli Embassy tried to convince him “not to include the Armenians in the museum."

Charny described how the Foreign Ministry’s conduct made him

put an end to the naivete with which we ascribe good intentions to our leadership… seeing the dirt, the contemptible behavior, the manipulations, the wickedness and destructiveness of a key division of government – it's just astounding.”

In 2007 a scandal erupted surrounding the Anti-Defamation League's refusal to support a bill calling on the Bush administration to recognize the 1915-17 Turkish massacre of its Armenian minority as genocide. The ADL itself was split over the issue; firing its New England regional director Andrew Tarsy for telling The Boston Globe that, "I strongly disagree with the ADL's national position." The ADL, which has a history of anti-Black racism, including arranging the training of US police forces by Israeli police, has a long record of attacking anti-Zionists as ‘anti-Semitic’.

How Israel Quashed Efforts to Recognize the Armenian Genocide – to Please Turkey

Decades before the U.S. president formally recognized the horrors of 1915, Israel's Foreign Ministry sought to foil an academic conference on the subject, fearing reprisal from Turkey. 'We continue to act to reduce and diminish the Armenian issue to the extent of our ability by every possible means'

Ha'aretz, Ofer Aderet, May. 2, 2021

In the summer of 1982, Israel's Foreign Ministry set to work on a special mission. “We continue to spare no effort on this issue, which is currently a central one on our agenda,” an internal ministry document says of the mission. “We shall leave no stone unturned, whether or not this thing succeeds,” another document says. “Intensive treatment that encompasses both institutions and public figures in Israel and abroad… feverish and tireless efforts… at the highest diplomatic levels,” other documents add.

The mission that so occupied the Foreign Ministry personnel 40 years ago had nothing to do with the First Lebanon War, which had just begun, but with another much larger and deadlier war: the Armenian genocide in 1915, during which an estimated 1.5 million people were killed by the forces of the Ottoman Empire.

Following U.S. President Joe Biden’s formal recognition on April 24 of the genocide, it’s particularly interesting to see how Israel not only denied the horrific mass murders – a policy to which it still adheres – but also tried to influence others to act in the same manner.

‘We continue with intensive and comprehensive efforts to get the conference canceled or to at least have the Armenian section removed from the agenda’

A recently released file from the National Archives reveals Israeli efforts during that summer four decades ago to thwart an academic conference due to be held in the country, focusing both on the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide. The documents in question offer a lesson in realpolitik and the willingness to sacrifice fundamental values of the type that any democratic society – especially one established after the calamity of the Holocaust – is supposed to hold dear, on the alter of political and security-related interests, among other reasons.

Beginning in April 1982, from the day the conference was first announced, the Foreign Ministry’s efforts to sabotage it never ceased. These efforts, which went on for two months, bore fruit.

The Yad Vashem Holocaust Remembrance Center in Jerusalem withdrew its initial sponsorship of the event, Tel Aviv University declined to take part, the Henrietta Szold Institute pledged not to provide funding for it, Holocaust survivor and then-future Nobel Peace Prize laureate Elie Wiesel resigned his post as conference chairman, and a number of prominent historians, including Prof. Yehuda Bauer, said they would not to attend. The conference did ultimately take place, but in a much watered-down and unofficial framework.

“We continue to act to reduce and diminish the Armenian issue to the extent of our ability by every possible means,” according to one Foreign Ministry document from the summer of 1982.

Removing the 'Armenian section'

“Reduce and diminish” – as if this was not about the murder of well over a million people that also involved uprooting, plunder, expulsion and death marches.

“We continue with intensive and comprehensive efforts to get the conference canceled or to at least have the Armenian section removed from the agenda,”

 the document adds. The “Armenian section” – two simple words that stand for a huge genocide.

Aside from the successful attempts to damage the prestige of the event by making the list of participants shrink significantly, the Foreign Ministry also tried to get it canceled outright. This is evident from the negotiations conducted by ministry personnel with the conference organizers, headed by Israel Charny, an American-Israeli psychologist. The talks were an attempt to reach a compromise whereby the event would be canceled, but the Foreign Ministry would provide organizers with “compensation for the actual damage – on the basis of receipts.” But the proposal didn’t go very far.

'I propose that we instruct the general consul to contact Wiesel and request that he disassociate himself from the conference,' wrote Elyakim Rubinstein

Meanwhile, the ministry enlisted embassies around the world to help persuade potential participants to cancel their attendance in the conference, as one document states: “We are currently trying to dissuade the invitees from taking part.” The most important guest was Elie Wiesel, who was supposed to chair the event. “I propose that we instruct the general consul to contact Wiesel and request that he disassociate himself from the conference,” wrote Elyakim Rubinstein, the legal adviser of the Foreign Ministry at the time, and the future attorney general, cabinet secretary and Supreme Court justice.

After Wiesel agreed to pull out, he shared internal information about the conference with Foreign Ministry personnel, and even took part in the effort to foil it. For one thing, Wiesel met with Naphtali Lau-Lavie, Israel's general consul in New York and a Holocaust survivor himself, and discussed ways “to cancel the Armenian section" of the confab. One idea proposed was “to prevent such a discussion in the plenum” and to transfer it to “workshops” on the sidelines, so it would not be given publicity. “We could say that the conference did not designate the Armenian issue as a subject for discussion,” Lau-Lavie suggested.

'Our first objective is to neutralize Yad Vashem as an official national body from taking part in including the Armenians in the conference'

Israeli ambassadors around the world were called upon by the ministry in Jerusalem to use their ties to keep the conference organizers from finding a replacement for Wiesel. “We request that you call [Lewis] Samuel Feuer and convince him not to accept the presidency of the conference,” Ambassador to France Meir Rosenne was told. Feuer, an American sociologist, has “an international reputation and broad personal authority and his non-participation in the conference will lower the level of the conference and reduce its dimensions to the minimum,” Rosenne was informed.

For his part, Lau-Lavie reported to the ministry that he had spoken with Jack P. Eisner, who fought in the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and was actively involved in Holocaust commemoration. Eisner had received an offer to chair the conference but Lau-Lavie said he turned down the offer, “ceased funding the conference and had just halted a transfer of money for the event.”

The Israeli consulate in Stockholm was asked, meanwhile, to contact Per Ahlmark, a renowned Swedish writer and politician, and to let him know that Wiesel “would be greatly appreciate it if he did not attend the conference.”

Targeting Yad Vashem

The list of people whom Foreign Ministry emissaries contacted to persuade them not to participate included local officials such as Yad Vashem chairman Yitzhak Arad and Yad Vashem council chairman Gideon Hausner, the prosecutor in the Eichmann trial two decades earlier. The idea was to try to persuade the Holocaust remembrance center of the problematic nature of the conference, which, in dealing with both with the Shoah and the Armenian genocide, would detract from the uniqueness of the former.

 “Our first objective is to neutralize Yad Vashem as an official national body from taking part in including the Armenians in the conference,” one of the newly publicized documents says.

“This should be possible because the inclusion of other peoples in the same line with the Jewish Holocaust would place Yad Vashem in a controversial position in the world and in terms of international public opinion. If we succeed in getting Yad Vashem out of the conference in which Armenian issues will be discussed, it will be an important and significant achievement since no official public government body will then be standing behind it.”

The next target was Tel Aviv University rector and future president Prof. Yoram Dinstein. Moshe Gilboa, director of the Foreign Ministry’s Diaspora Department, reported that he met with Dinstein and explained to him “the background for our objection to the inclusion of the Armenian issue.” The meeting was a success, and yielded a letter from Dinstein’s office detailing concerns about the event.

Behind the scenes, Israel boasted to Turkey about its activities, according to one archival document:

“We put an emphasis on our efforts to cancel the conference completely or to at least remove the Armenian issue from it… It was explained to the Turkish representative in Israel that, in the present circumstances, the conference has shrunk to tiny proportions and will be run by a small group of private individuals, without any official government or public support.”

Ministry officials also instructed Israel’s representatives in Turkey to inform their local counterparts about the efforts being made and to add – perhaps apologetically – that “in a democratic regime, as we have here [i.e., in Israel], we cannot prevent private individuals from holding conferences and discussing any subject they wish.”

Prof. Israel Charny. Argues in his new book that the Turkish threat to holding the 1982 conference in Israel on the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide was “an invention.” Credit: Emil Salman

To assuage the Turks, the Foreign Ministry also proposed to plant articles in the press that would be critical of Israel’s attempts to prevent the conference from taking place. These articles would “serve as our alibi, in the Turks’ eyes,” ministry officials hoped.

Eventually, as in a military operation, the Foreign Ministry even “spied on” the event that was held:

“No Armenian clergy were spotted… A certain Armenian speaker gave a talk about the Armenian issue. A film on the subject that was supposed to be screened was not shown because the projector didn’t work. No more than six or seven people were seen in the conference rooms. The [Armenian] Patriarch was seen walking around,”

according to a report.

There is no one clear answer as to what was behind the Foreign Ministry’s obsession with foiling this academic conference. Officially, ministerial representatives told people that Turkey could potentially harm Jews from Iran and Syria who would try to immigrate to Israel via Turkey.

“All of the Foreign Ministry’s activity to prevent the holding of the conference is intended solely to save Jews from lands where they are in distress,” one of the archival documents says. That account is supported by another source, describing how a Foreign Ministry representative in Turkey, Alon Liel, was summoned to the Foreign Ministry in Ankara, in April 1982.

Elyakim Rubinstein, Foreign Ministry counsel in 1982. "There was a constraint here, a concrete interest, that we had to pay attention to, because the Turks could be tough,” he says today.Credit: Olivier Fitoussi

“Turkey cannot conceive of a conference being held in Israel in which it will be presented in the same category with Nazi Germany,” Liel was told.

“The Turkish people find this especially surprising given the fact that Turkey aided Jewish refugees who managed to escape the arms of the Nazis in World War II,” the summary of the meeting says. “The Turks display extreme sensitivity, bordering on irrationality, regarding the Armenian issue, and are unwilling to admit that the events of 1915 constitutes the Armenian genocide."

The bottom line, as Liel warned in his report to Jerusalem, was that “if the Armenian section is included in the conference, it will have grave implications for Israeli-Turkish relations.”

Historian  Eldad Ben Aharon, whose areas of expertise include Israel-Turkey relations and who published a paper in 2015 about efforts to torpedo the 1982 conference, says that the reason for Israel's policy lies in how important it sees ties with Turkey, because of both defense considerations and geopolitical realities. 

'An invention'

Last week, Elyakim Rubinstein recalled his involvement on behalf of the Foreign Ministry in preventing the event from taking place. “I would have been much more comfortable, as a proponent of academic freedom, to sit on the other side of the barricade. But there was a constraint here, a concrete interest, that we had to pay attention to, because the Turks could be tough,” he told Haaretz. “I think we acted correctly. Israel has responsibility vis-a-vis the Jewish issue everywhere.”

But where did the threat to hurt would-be Jewish immigrants passing through Turkey come from? Prof. Charny, the organizer of the 1982 conference, has just published a new book entitled "Israel’s Failed Response to the Armenian Genocide: Denial, State Deception, Truth Versus Politicization of History." In it, Charny argues that the Turkish threat was “an invention.” He bases this view on a 1982 document in which Israel’s general consul in Istanbul at the time, Avner Arazi, wrote that the fear of a severe Turkish reaction to the conference was highly exaggerated.

“I would like to touch on a point that I believe served as the basis for our concerted efforts to get the conference canceled, i.e., the hints about the passage of Iranian and Syrian Jews via Turkey,”

Arazi wrote

“I was not aware of this issue. Here in Turkey, there were no signs of a connection between this issue and the conference. Anyone familiar with Turkey’s dedication to its tradition and its principles, which include not extraditing refugees, would never imagine that it could endanger Jews’ lives by turning them over to the Syrians and Iranians… At a time when Turkey is making every effort to improve its image in the world, it is not reasonable to think it would commit such an injustice and thereby also invite harsh criticism from the Free World,”

he added.

Other evidence shows that the Israeli “handling” of the confab was just one front where Israel was active on the subject of the genocide: Michael Birnbaum, one of the founders of the U.S. Holocaust Museum in Washington, writes in Charny's new book that people at the Israeli Embassy tried to convince him “not to include the Armenians in the museum."

Charny, who is today 90, told Haaretz that the Foreign Ministry’s conduct in the episode made him “put an end to the naivete with which we ascribe good intentions to our leadership,” and that “seeing the dirt, the contemptible behavior, the manipulations, the wickedness and destructiveness of a key division of government – it's just astounding.”  

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[i]         Lucy Dawidowicz, The holocaust and the Historians, Cambridge, p.13 cited by Vahakn Dadrian p. 159.

[ii]        Bauer, Rethinking the holocaust, p.44.

[iii]       Helen Fein, Accounting for Genocide, p. 10.

[iv]        Helen Fein, Accounting for Genocide, p.17.

[v]        Diaries p. 392.

[vi]        Hannah Arendt, The Jew as a Pariah, p. 171.

[vii]       How Herzl Sold Out the Armenians, Rachel Elboim-Dror Ha'aretz, May 01 2015, https://tinyurl.com/y7dc34cd  Herzl complained that Lazarre had written ‘“a mean, malicious article against me”Diaries of Theodor Herzl, p. 1201, ed. Ralph Patai, 13 Jan  1902.

[viii]      https://tinyurl.com/y67pkac8

[ix]        Holocausts and Politics, Akiva Eldar, Yediot Aharanot, 1975. See also Armenian Genocide Debate Exposes Rifts at ADL, Jennifer Siegel, August 22, 2007. https://tinyurl.com/ybzcra6c -/

[x]        Norman Finkelstein, The holocaust Industry, p. 69.

[xi]        Vahakn Dadrian, p. 159.

[xii]       Finkelstein p. 69.

 

USHM, Charny, Wiesel, Armenian Genocide, Anatolia, holocaust, Yehuda Bauer, Lucy Dawidowicz,