tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post8387026057226349641..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Atzmon’s Rottweiller, Sarah Gillespie, Attacks Omar Barghouti and Opposes the Boycott and Disruption of HabimahTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-87296287524581365382012-06-05T14:44:52.219+01:002012-06-05T14:44:52.219+01:00Due to a little more Zionist racist abuse [deleted...Due to a little more Zionist racist abuse [deleted], which makes me suspect this is a Zionist masquerading as a Palestinian, I have included most points of Anon as well as a rebuttal.<br /><br />TG<br /><br /><br />"More to the point why not give you name or are you afraid to put a name to such sentiments." [deleted] Cant you deal with opinions unless you take names or attack the person speaking? <br /><br />TG: It's a question of honesty that's all. If you don't wish to give your name or even a pseudonym then we have even less clue as to whom you are. That's all.<br /><br />'Who gave you right right to speak on behalf of Palestinians?' I don't need to be kosherized or be 'given' rights. <br /><br />TG: No one said you did, whatever kosherising an individual is. You have all the rights you want, including the right to pretend to represent other Palestinians (assuming you are not an impostor). And I have the right to challenge such claims.<br /><br />Are you incomfortable with unappointed speakers? <br /><br />TG: Not at all, just want to find out who you are claiming you are unappointed to speak on behalf of!<br /><br />'Another self-obsessed Atmonite.' You are obsessed with each other and deserve each other--self-obsessed jews, or is that 'racist'? <br /><br />TG: I've said yes, do you have difficulty understanding spoken English? Being Jewish is irrelevant to being self-obsessed, assuming I am.<br /><br /><br />"No one has say dear idiot that the Palestinians need to be kosherised but who better than anti-Zionist Jews to rebut charges of anti-Semitism?" Who better indeed. You have no sense of irony, dear Superior one.<br /><br />TG: There's nothing ironic about your gibberish. There is a political struggle and people like you are irrelevant to it, because despite your accusations you are the one who is self-obsessed. <br /><br />TG: Anti-Zionist Jews are indeed in a more powerful position to rebut charges of 'anti-Semitism'. But you are too thick to understand that.<br /><br /> " Well the Zionists certainly understand the point even if the thicker of the Palestinians' 'supporters' don't." They, meaning you, the lot of zionists and cross-dressed zionists understand each other, of course. <br /><br />TG: No fool. The Zionists understand the point of being challenged on their claim to represent all Jews. I'll leave cross-dressing to you as a quisling.<br /><br />We, thick and thickER Palestinians do not. <br /><br />TG: I doubt if there are many Palestinians as thick as you (assuming you aren't a Zionist of course)!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-22905784832842465022012-06-05T01:47:49.256+01:002012-06-05T01:47:49.256+01:00Well that is racist since a particular section of ...Well that is racist since a particular section of the Palestine solidarity movement is being targetted because they are of Jewish origin. I'm sorry u don't see it. More to the point why not give you name or are you afraid to put a name to such sentiments.<br /><br />If you consider they are merely 'empty gestures in a theatre' fine, but that wasn't the view of Palestinians themselves unlike you. Who gave you right right to speak on behalf of Palestinians? <br /><br />Another self-obsessed Atmonite.<br /><br />No one has say dear idiot that the Palestinians need to be kosherised but who better than anti-Zionist Jews to rebut charges of anti-Semitism? Well the Zionists certainly understand the point even if the thicker of the Palestinians' 'supporters' don't.<br /><br />Or are you just a quisling? Hard to tell reallyTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-16231021408007047852012-06-05T01:44:26.279+01:002012-06-05T01:44:26.279+01:00TG--By claiming that you deleted "foul-mouthe...TG--By claiming that you deleted "foul-mouthed racism which isn't allowed on here" from my post, you proved yourself to be a liar.<br />What I wrote was<br />"self-obsessed Jews"<br />Show it, if you are not a coward and then explain why a simple, factual description of you and your alleged foes is racists.<br />...<br /><br />"Koshering the boycott"?!?! Palestinians don't need to be kosherized. They need you to get the hell out, that's all. Now is that so hard to understand?<br />So we should be grateful that you made yourselves feel good by making empty gestures in a theater?<br />Go kosherize yourselves some more.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-16779443736112015612012-06-04T20:18:46.439+01:002012-06-04T20:18:46.439+01:00I guess this sums up the level of the Atzmonites. ...I guess this sums up the level of the Atzmonites. Anon should go and be a pen pal to deRanged. Lovely bunch of nutters to play with in the sand pit.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-85464419864022146212012-06-04T20:11:20.065+01:002012-06-04T20:11:20.065+01:00I've reposted anon's comments without some...I've reposted anon's comments without some foul-mouthed racism which isn't allowed on here.<br /><br />It's pretty obvious dunderhead why we call ourselves 'Jews for Boycotting Israeli Goods'. It's called koshering the boycott or, in other words, deflecting charges of anti-Semitism by putting ourselves at the forefront.<br /><br />Of course to Internet warrior like anon then this makes no sense but since he has probably never done anything other than mouth off he'll have to accept that it is effective, as the Zionists' squeals testify to.<br /><br />I'm glad you find it easy to understand that we don't ask those we are in solidarity with to 'support' us - but if anon thinks it's a lie, give chapter or verse or shut up.<br /><br />When you disrupt Habima or the Israeli Philharmonic you aren't selling margarine. But if you are a useless commentator on the sidelines you wouldn't know that would you?Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-43357572495124964992012-06-04T20:07:14.898+01:002012-06-04T20:07:14.898+01:00'The Palestine solidarity movement is led by a...'The Palestine solidarity movement is led by activists whose religion, if any, is irrelevant." Then why do you call yourself Jews for this and Jews for that? And by what statistical odds do you end up on top of all these groups? " Only Atzmon is obsessed by whether someone is Jewish or not." Skirmish among yourselves all you want, there is no big diff between you. You are all self-obsessed Jews- your past sell date claptrap on antisemitism and his self-important decrees on 'AZZs' are equally useless to Palestinians. "No one asks Palestinians to support any solidarity group. We just ask them not to support Atzmon and his fascist/anti-Semitic buddies.Is that too difficult to understand? It's easy to understand its a lie. We have 2 margarine brands on sale--were not asking you to choose, just not to buy B. Your not so dumb not to see that but you go ahead and lie anyway. Guess what-Palestinians dont need to support either of you [deleted].Anonymous racistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18308797303723529042012-06-04T17:17:40.313+01:002012-06-04T17:17:40.313+01:00The Palestine solidarity movement is led by activi...The Palestine solidarity movement is led by activists whose religion, if any, is irrelevant. Only Atzmon is obsessed by whether someone is Jewish or not. Jewish groups specifically operate to deflect the Zionist charge of 'anti-Semitism' and with great success. That is what makes Anon take a pretended middle ground.<br /><br />No one asks Palestinians to support any solidarity group. We just ask them not to support Atzmon and his fascist/anti-Semitic buddies. Is that too difficult to understand?Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-47548000431200483612012-06-04T17:14:11.109+01:002012-06-04T17:14:11.109+01:00Who is asking them to? Does ANYONE want ANY Palest...Who is asking them to? Does ANYONE want ANY Palestinians to support (N)Atzie? Why?<br /><br />So , 'C'mon Anon', what are you blathering on about?Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-46736914078665051442012-06-04T03:13:46.320+01:002012-06-04T03:13:46.320+01:00C'mon Gert,
It was not such a difficult questi...C'mon Gert,<br />It was not such a difficult question. Take the blinders off and try again: why should the Palestinians have to declare "loyalty" to either of these two Jewish-led groups?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-70823764115455780092012-06-03T16:48:56.318+01:002012-06-03T16:48:56.318+01:00Anon:
Because it's not about 'Jews/ex-Jew...Anon:<br /><br />Because it's not about 'Jews/ex-Jews', is it?<br /><br />You seem to be implying that Jews should not show solidarity with Palestinians because they're Jews? Sounds a tad antisemitic to me.<br /><br />Try a dose of Universalism instead.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-26943939701801392842012-06-03T16:33:55.993+01:002012-06-03T16:33:55.993+01:00Interesting tangled web of anti-all manner of thin...Interesting tangled web of anti-all manner of things and anti-anti- that I didn't realize existed just from reading stuff on a few Jewish and Palestinian sites.<br />One question for now: <br />why are Palestinians asked at the top of the blog to declare their loyalty for either your group or Atzmon's? You seem to assume you or the other warring party have to lead them.<br />Why shouldn't the Palestinians ignore both you and let you Jews/ex-Jews squabble among yourselves?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-32221751076871603222012-05-31T10:29:29.755+01:002012-05-31T10:29:29.755+01:00Thanks for that Gert about the latest rantings of ...Thanks for that Gert about the latest rantings of the UK director of Adolf Hitler Remembered.<br /><br />Once again, paedophilia rears its ugly head amongst the deranged gang of neo-nazis and Holocaust deniers that are Atzmon's camp followers. <br /><br />The old Brownshirts and our own beloved BNP are noted for their pre-occupations in that area. Maybe Gilad Atzmon and his Brown House Ensemble should organise a benefit gig for adult men prone to paedophile thoughts whilst reminiscing affectionately about their dead beloved fuhrer.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-77906066222625141422012-05-31T01:03:35.591+01:002012-05-31T01:03:35.591+01:00One should never make the mistake of assuming that...One should never make the mistake of assuming that academics are intelligent. Often the more you know about 1 particular area the less u know about the rest.<br /><br />Political science is a bogus subject anyway so any charlatan can get away with string a few thoughts togetherTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-10652135923036068232012-05-30T21:18:41.387+01:002012-05-30T21:18:41.387+01:00Some of these deLiberation posts should be sent Me...Some of these deLiberation posts should be sent Mearsheimer, Falk, Robert Wyatt and other Atzie apologists who think he’s a great mind. There’s a post by Paul Eisen about Muhammad Ali and it’s just UNBELIEVABLE. The puerilest nonsense that makes Roswell conspiracy theorists look comparatively sane. This is Atzmon the Free Thinker at work. ‘Free Inquiry’ for the lobotomised.<br /><br />Sorry, but I can’t really get over it.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-14363232200257314822012-05-29T22:08:28.184+01:002012-05-29T22:08:28.184+01:00Deranged is the right word. I've never said a...Deranged is the right word. I've never said anything like this, it is a complete forgery and I notice, thanks to Atzmon, that someone has asked for the source and it hasn't been provided, not surprisingly.<br /><br />But Atzmon is fast losing what support he had by attacking the boycott of Habima. He's got no cred. now amongst those activists who did think he had something to say. He is on a self-destruct mission.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-63357555399909852232012-05-29T21:46:37.579+01:002012-05-29T21:46:37.579+01:00I haven’t paid much attention of lately to Atzie’s...I haven’t paid much attention of lately to Atzie’s deranged deLiberation website but a quick refresher course revealed this by the unfathomably stupid Jeff Blankfort:<br /><br />http://www.deliberation.info/jeff-blankfort-to-anti-zionist-zionist-gabriel-ash/<br /><br /><i>”As for Greenstein, he has written that attacks on the pro-Israel Lobby “are the first step towards holocaust denial.” You certainly are in fine company, Gabriel.<br /><br />[my snip]<br /><br />Successive generations have become only more sophisticated. Leftist Jews from the various Marxist and Trotskyist organizations made sure that the Palestinian issue would be segregated from all the other people’s liberation struggles–even while claiming to be anti-Zionist (a word for me that has lost all meaning)–and this lasted up until the first US war on Iraq and then their bleats were limited to that ridiculous slogan that most Americans do not understand, “End the Occupation!” Not a word about stopping US aid to Israel, not a word about AIPAC or the pro-Israel Lobby and when I started speaking about it in the 80s, I found myself marginalized, not only by the faux Jewish solidarity activists but by Palestinian groups, as well, whose leaders had been thoroughly colonized by the Jewish activists and by that pied piper of disinformation. Noam Chomsky, who even Israel Shahak, his old friend, had to admit, served AIPAC’s cause. Not surprisingly, no Jew would debate me regarding the Lobby. Chomsky, even when we were on friendly terms, Joel Beinin, Phyllis Bennis, Mitchell Plitnick and the JVP crowd. Chomsky, Beinin and Bennis, said the same thing, “it wouldn’t be useful.” To whom they didn’t say but I can tell you.<br />What Gilad has provided is an explanation for this phenomenon and the hysterical responses to what he has written from Jews such as yourself, from Greenstein and Weizfeld and the earlier railing against him by the International Anti-Zionist Jewish Network confirms his theory for which, I assume, he is much appreciative. I have read his book and while I don’t agree with all his conclusions, I do agree with the most important, his analysis of Jewish identity and the problems it creates in the political sphere and not only for the Palestinians. If you do not think that the build-up for a war against Iran and the draconian sanctions against that country and its people have been directed by Jews, inside and outside of the US government, on Israel’s behalf, you are not only in denial, you are part of the problem. If you do not think that the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians in 1948, followed by the 1967 war, and the decades of occupation and dispossession of the Palestinians, are primarily the responsibility of Israeli Jews and their supporters internationally, you are part of the problem since, whatever else you may say or do, you are providing protective cover for the perpetrators.”</i><br /><br />Ringdingdingding. My ears are ringing. So much abject ridiculousness in one man.<br /><br />The indomitable Roy ‘I’m not an antisemite but I ‘heart’ Atzmon’ Bard hangs out there day and night it would appear. Some are questioning Blankfort’s memory. Like cracked colander, I’m guessing.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-2582124517873744312012-05-29T11:09:48.079+01:002012-05-29T11:09:48.079+01:00Gillespie is slightly more talented than Atzmon. A...Gillespie is slightly more talented than Atzmon. At least she writes songs instead of spurting tuneless noise through a saxophone. Pathetic. They should launch their own holocaust denier 'music' festival and get Eisen on drums. Good stuff Tony.<br />MaxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-8717539826337700442012-05-29T02:26:00.111+01:002012-05-29T02:26:00.111+01:00I agree with the last comment in its entirety. I ...I agree with the last comment in its entirety. I certainly do understand Atzmon's fear of the implications of boycotting racists!<br /><br />But that is what Palestinians are calling for and we have to respond. What is shows is that the great supporter of the Palestinians judges everything from his own perspective and has no hesitation in attacking BDS.<br /><br />He is fast losing what little support he had amongst supporters of the Palestinians and Palestinians themselves, except for the worst quislings.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-4529078034038540182012-05-29T01:05:14.170+01:002012-05-29T01:05:14.170+01:00I wonder if you really understand their resistance...I wonder if you really understand their resistance to having writers and musicians boycotted, Tony. Could it be that as musicians, they see themselves threatened in any boycotting of musicians and writers? Gillespie has some talent (her band has more that she does) and her affiliation with Atzmon brings he notoriety that she would never receive on her own. But what a price to pay. Hanging with a Jew hating holocaust denier just to get some attention for her music. Sad really.<br /><br />Atzmon's post-adolescent band of malcontent Jew haters at deLiberation are an excellent reflection of his inner demons, and his bigotry. Atzmon's ego is monstrous, as can be seen by his needing two websites to present it to the world. One website is dedicated to him only. You can go there and he will inform you that he is the world's greatest sax player. He does not allow comments there, as they in their negativity would not reflect his assumption of self-superiority.<br /><br />His other website, deLiberation, is a place where his half-wit personality cult of followers can echo each other in their Atzmon inspired hatred of "The Jew." In that little Stormfront-Lite website, Jews are blamed for all the ills of the world, going back several thousand years. deLiberation claims to be a place where discussions can be carried out on any topic. But watch what happens when a non-Anti-Semite steps into the fray: 10 of his faithful followers line up to beat-down the interloper, and when they have had all the fun they can with the unfortunate individual, Jew hating Jonathon Blakeley ceremoniously blocks the individuals ability to comment, and they slap each other on the backs in triumph, while hanging out waiting for their next victim to wander in. <br /><br />deLiberation -- a sad example of a Stromfront-Lite echo chamber -- also serves as advertisement for Atzmon and Gillespie in their musical efforts. Atzmon controls what is put on the site, and has final veto on what is or is not printed. But he is perfectly happy to have even the most outrageous Jew hatred displayed in its pages, and approves of it being there. His followers are ill-equipped intellectually to make sense of the world around them, and in their malcontent natures, they look for scapegoats to take the blame for their disappointments in life. The Jew must be blamed for the unhappiness they see in the mirror. It is a twisted combination of Stormfront-Lite, and Gilad Atzmon cult of personality. But mostly it's just a bunch of sad malcontents looking for someone to blame for their failures in life. Keep up the good work, Tony.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-68600165911390765202012-05-28T19:40:51.101+01:002012-05-28T19:40:51.101+01:00Anon:
The only reason why your comments are allow...Anon:<br /><br />The only reason why your comments are allowed here (whoever you are) is that they're a testament to the utter vileness, vacuity and ignorance of so many 'grassroots' Zionists. I'd plaster your comment in my archive ('Things gutter Zionists say') but you need to stoop a little lower still.<br /><br />Com'on, you know you can do it!<br /><br />Over at Millett's I've a Zionutzie and settler who's obsessed with where I live. The nut can't even see how racist it is to condemn someone for living in the NE of England. These then, are the defenders of Judaism!Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-90266516488530275332012-05-28T00:06:41.941+01:002012-05-28T00:06:41.941+01:00Trying to finish off his nation's ones? Natio...Trying to finish off his nation's ones? Nation's what? The Jews aren't a nation nor are the Israelis and Atzmon is your best friend. Why are you Zionists so thick. Back in the days of Herzl, there was an understanding that 'the anti-Semites will be our best friends, the anti-Semitic countries our allies' pp.83/4 Diaries of T Herzl. <br /><br />Unfortunately today's Zionists are ignoramuses. Their only resort is to naked power not realising that no state survives if it loses the consent of the civilised world.<br /><br />Donkey's Atzmon? Not only do you have a menagerie of animals trailing you - lapdog Laua Stuart (born with no brain), Frances Clarke Lowes (has a brain but long since gave up trying to use it) Gillespie (vicious Rotweiller) and others, but those who step out of line and tell the truth about you get chopped and sent to that special place reserved in hell Atzmonite for sinners against our latter day Lord Atzmon.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-32585892764667345782012-05-27T23:02:14.191+01:002012-05-27T23:02:14.191+01:00Tonyle
I see your ever faithful Sancho Panza aka ...Tonyle <br />I see your ever faithful Sancho Panza aka Gert has mounted his donkey . Speaking of Panza , you must be looking forward to your taking your place in the the Belly of the Beast once again tomorrow . Home from home so to speak .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-77321331371023220072012-05-27T19:59:09.737+01:002012-05-27T19:59:09.737+01:00Yes we do!!
Can't stand the man. So full of h...Yes we do!!<br /><br />Can't stand the man. So full of himself and for what? spending his life trying to finish off his own nation's ones.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-8490886974395719072012-05-27T15:13:47.824+01:002012-05-27T15:13:47.824+01:00Tony:
I hadn’t heard from this Gillespie woman ev...Tony:<br /><br />I hadn’t heard from this Gillespie woman ever before, nor did I now of her association with Atzie. But is:<br /><br /><i>”I couldn’t put it better though I don’t know if Simone is aware of the background of Gillespie and her virulent anti-Semitic background.”</i><br /><br />…based on anything other than her association with the Wandering Antisemite or is there more? I googled her and found only two references to her antisemitism, both suspect because coming from quarters that could find AS in an empty cookie jar.<br /><br />From her badly penned ‘In defence of Gilad Arsie’:<br /><br /><i>”Unfortunately for them, too many people understand that Gilad is on an intellectual quest for truth. According to the Greek historian Herodotos, quoted above, this is most humane thing you can ever hope to do. We can not be banned from playing, from writing or form ‘wondering who’ we are. Lest we forget, the word ‘history’ comes from an ancient Greek verb meaning ‘to ask’. “</i><br /><br />T’is to be hoped that girlfriend won’t follow in Gilad’s footsteps of ‘free [COUGH!]’ ‘inquiry’ into the Holocaust… An Eisen/Atzmon/Gillespie threesome as it were!<br /><br />Clearly Atzie is trying to drive a wedge into the Palestinian solidarity movement, largely out of spite with those who snub him. Meanwhile the Zionists are enjoying the spectacle. Still, if it means losing dead weights like Ramzi Baroud then that’s not a bad thing…Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-30790682800062960132012-05-27T14:58:35.332+01:002012-05-27T14:58:35.332+01:00You're just a Zionist Atzmon and a dishonest o...You're just a Zionist Atzmon and a dishonest one who doesn't even have the guts to post under his own name. I think the 'joke' about Tonyle has worn thin, apart from the fact that no one gets it.<br /><br />Zionists equate BDS with the Boycott of Jews under Hitler and so do you. The only difference is you deny the holocaust you summon to your defence. Pathetic, you and your rotweillerTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.com