tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post811084406207753509..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Zionist Attempts to Prevent Ilan Pappe Speaking at University of California FailTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-41322657261553203702012-02-26T15:27:32.167+00:002012-02-26T15:27:32.167+00:00No Pappe is not one of the tribe Atzmon. He is sim...No Pappe is not one of the tribe Atzmon. He is simply a brilliant historian who has exposed many myths and fallacies. Maybe he could start on the history of an Israeli informant and Revisionist Zionist, Gilad Atzmon!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-63024312186827064272012-02-26T14:55:49.997+00:002012-02-26T14:55:49.997+00:00tonyle loves Pappe "one of the tribe"......tonyle loves Pappe "one of the tribe"....... until Pappe will discover who tonyle is....<br />print his comments and compare after the real Tonyle will be exposed by Pape.......and then little tonyle will write the opposite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-36654098408982475162012-02-25T16:30:41.542+00:002012-02-25T16:30:41.542+00:00Well Jack if his academic credibility is zero, why...Well Jack if his academic credibility is zero, why was he a tenured Professor at Haifa University and the same at Exeter University?<br /><br />I assume of course that Professor Jack is an academic of even greater esteem? Perhaps Professor Jack, in the interests of transparency and credibility, could let us have his second name and the Institute in which he lectures and researches?<br /><br />Or is Jack just another Zionist propaganda idiot who says whatever he is presented with, like Rossman-Benjamin? <br /><br />And if the attempt to stop Pappe speaking has nothing to do with his views, but all those invented quotes, then why did Ross-Benjamin not say so? She talked about 'anti-Semitism'. Presumably it's not anti-semitic to have no academic credibility?<br /><br />Rossman Benjamin and her fellow McCarthyites objected not because Pappe had no academic credibility but because he was all too credible and they didn't want all those poor little things, especially Jewish students, from hearing how they had been fed a pack of lies from early childhood. Who knows that 'anti-Semitic' traumas the little darlings might experience.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-90267874825595735052012-02-25T11:05:44.158+00:002012-02-25T11:05:44.158+00:00Pappe is not only not objective, but he has a well...Pappe is not only not objective, but he has a well known record of inventing quotes.<br />His Academic credibility is Zero.<br />So why should anyone listen to his "Academic" lecture.....<br />it has nothing to do with his views.Jacknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-57028666492968176582012-02-22T10:46:41.191+00:002012-02-22T10:46:41.191+00:00And recently, she published a short version of her...And recently, she published a short version of her 1964 Civil Rights Act complaint. She uses two examples from her official complaint. Both times she shows that she cannot tell zionsm apart from jewishness.<br /><br />The jewish daily forward: http://www.forward.com/articles/150968/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-86452477707709659432012-02-21T22:52:11.560+00:002012-02-21T22:52:11.560+00:00Thanks. I had kinda picked up on this difference ...Thanks. I had kinda picked up on this difference between the University of California and CSU.<br /><br />I've received a post back from this Tammi Rossman-Benjamin. And god is it appalling. She should be fired for being an incompetent, plagiarising academic, if that's the right word. It is truly appalling so I've had some fun. Will post when I have uh time, the most precious asset of all as you get older!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18074154601738958502012-02-21T22:25:11.088+00:002012-02-21T22:25:11.088+00:00Excellent post, tony, and excellent letter to that...Excellent post, tony, and excellent letter to that zionist twerp, too. One tiny correction: California has two huge systems of universities, one called University of California at, for example, Berkeley or LA and the other called California State University at, say, San Bernardino or San Diego. The first probably has at least ten or twelve campuses by now and the latter has at least twenty campuses. (I left in 1961)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-30426794008624740812012-02-21T16:24:20.133+00:002012-02-21T16:24:20.133+00:00Objectivity does indeed not exist and Pappé is ent...Objectivity does indeed not exist and Pappé is entitled to his opinions like anyone else. Why is it always agenda-driven mental midgets like George who insist on being ‘fair and balanced’ when of course they themselves are far from objective?<br /><br />Regards Zionist McCarthyism, anybody would think they have something to hide… Oh, wait, they have!<br /><br />As ever, it raises questions about ‘freedom’ in the ‘land of the free’. Free to parrot official lines, yes but dissent? The US has it’s own way of suppressing dissent: in the USSR they declared you insane, in the US they take away your livelihood! Bunch of cowardly hypocrites…<br /><br />O/T: there’s a wonderful Al Jazeera, I think it’s called ‘Jaffa: a clocked orange’, about the ethnic cleansing of Jaffa, the theft of orchards and the ‘Jaffa’ brand by the Zionists. It shows once again just what a colonial project it really was, back then…Gertnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-31410479763347251912012-02-21T02:16:36.377+00:002012-02-21T02:16:36.377+00:00Yes very interesting the Jewish Chronicle article ...Yes very interesting the Jewish Chronicle article on the 'demographic time bomb that the Jewish state can't afford to ignore.'<br /><br />You would have to be blind not to see the racism oozing from the pores. There are too many Arabs. How do we get rid of them. Doesn't matter what they think. Adolf may be dead but his children are alive and kicking.<br /><br />As for Gabi Weber, organiser of the ill-fated Atzmon bean feast in Freiburg last year. Still smarting from the withdrawal of speakers, the second rate nonentities who did attend and that's not including the mad jazzman, our garrulous Gabi protests:<br /><br />'did you or did you not try to Prevent Atzmon from Speaking in Frieburg. <br /><br />Not at all Ms Weber. I didn't want to shut Atzmon up and prevent him putting his foot in his rather large mouth. Good gracious no. I merely tried to persuade others not to sully their reputations by appearing alongside him. Clearly some people weren't concerned or had no reputation to lose.<br /><br />Of course I won't delete your comment Gabi. Really it's a quite priceless example of the fact that you still don't get it.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-12128535437301906372012-02-21T01:03:18.386+00:002012-02-21T01:03:18.386+00:00Same thing happened back in 2008 when Norman Finke...Same thing happened back in 2008 when Norman Finkelstein came to CSUN to speak. I was a freshman there at the time. We didn't know about the huge campaign against him until later that year.Julia Riber Pitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03006439247714055292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-6136567912592672322012-02-20T19:40:05.909+00:002012-02-20T19:40:05.909+00:00Greenstein, did you or did you not try to Prevent ...Greenstein, did you or did you not try to Prevent Atzmon from Speaking in Frieburg.... what was it then, if not the lowest way to "shut up" Atzmon.<br />"I know that it is not the first time that you try to jeopardize an event with Gilad Atzmon - whether it is supposed to happen in Germany, Switzerland or other countries."<br />How can you be such a low Hypocrite.<br />I know you will delete this comment, but everyone knows your double standarts and hypocricy.Webernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50923060989193164462012-02-20T15:52:18.505+00:002012-02-20T15:52:18.505+00:00Have you seen this?
http://www.thejc.com/comment-...Have you seen this?<br /><br />http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/63837/a-demographic-time-bomb-jewish-state-cannot-afford-ignoreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-73260131782204671842012-02-20T15:08:25.636+00:002012-02-20T15:08:25.636+00:00Done
>>skidmarx said...
It might be useful...Done<br /><br />>>skidmarx said... <br />It might be useful to add the link from the original:<br />http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2010/10/29/the-zionist-organization-of-americas-effort-to-criminalize-campus-activism-through-federal-civil-rights-legislation/Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50034320436247119692012-02-20T15:02:53.831+00:002012-02-20T15:02:53.831+00:00And then there's George's alter ego - Gila...And then there's George's alter ego - Gilad Atmon - who is complaining of double standards.<br /><br />I haven't censored Gilad and friends - merely suggested they have no part in the Palestine solidarity movement and should go join their Zionist allies, with whom Atzmon agrees so much anyway.<br /><br />I always express myself in the best way Gilad, after all I am, as you say, a 'humanist angel'. You are entitled to deny the holocaust, just as George and Daniel deny the Nakba, but you are not entitled to bring the solidarity movement into disrepute by false claiming that they support revisionism of the holocaust rather than the nakba type.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-14167842538778603272012-02-20T14:59:29.411+00:002012-02-20T14:59:29.411+00:00George's contributions have been edited becaus...George's contributions have been edited because, like most Zionists, he can't help lying or making false accusations.<br /><br />If Zionist trolls don't understand then let me explain. Anyone making false accusations of 'anti-semitism' will either be moderated or their post will be edited to remove said offensive comments.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-76848255388316305172012-02-20T14:58:16.191+00:002012-02-20T14:58:16.191+00:00Nor do I accept your summing up of Ilan Pappe'...Nor do I accept your summing up of Ilan Pappe's views.<br /><br />Hard for you to accept, but that's his own words.....<br />While you don't have any proof for your assumption.<br /><br />He fabricated historical events and lost in all the Academic investigations and many long trials,Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-33386361862332454402012-02-20T14:11:42.409+00:002012-02-20T14:11:42.409+00:00Eyal Mazor wrote a report on these guidelines for ...<i>Eyal Mazor wrote a report on these guidelines for Muzzlewatch <b>here</b></i><br /><br />It might be useful to add the link from the original:<br />http://www.muzzlewatch.com/2010/10/29/the-zionist-organization-of-americas-effort-to-criminalize-campus-activism-through-federal-civil-rights-legislation/skidmarxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-71003358092105818062012-02-20T13:59:21.873+00:002012-02-20T13:59:21.873+00:00Tonyle writes:
"always trying to get the rich...Tonyle writes:<br />"always trying to get the rich and powerful to censor opinions they disagree with. And why not since they are incapable of defending their views before civilised human beings."<br /><br />Uhhhh reminds me of someone called Tonyle, that is incapable of defending their views before civilised human beings..... so he devoted his life, to censor opinions he dose not disagree with.....mmmm how do you call it Double standards ..... Hypocrisy...... no you are the humanist angel.<br />When it comes to revisionism that fits your Agenda....... it is more the welcomed.<br /><br />Tonyle..... you just expressed yourself in the best way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-48066808515986450962012-02-20T13:43:10.648+00:002012-02-20T13:43:10.648+00:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Georgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-46510238426416443562012-02-20T12:30:07.486+00:002012-02-20T12:30:07.486+00:00George writes, "Pappé has long acknowledged t...George writes, "Pappé has long acknowledged that he is not objective and cares little about factual accuracy."<br /><b>WHAT??!!</b> Apologists for Zionist racism keep repeating this mantra. Pappé, to be sure, does not mince words that the truth of the situation has led him to a "position", and that this position is based <i>explicitly</i> on "factual accuracy" (aka truth).<br />That George <i>et al</i> must keep repeating this distortion about Pappé illustrates how fast Zionism must run from any empirically-based, anti-racist discussion.Tom Suarezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04422941789151812353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-51156714643440986952012-02-20T11:48:59.974+00:002012-02-20T11:48:59.974+00:00There is no such thing as 'objectivity'. ...There is no such thing as 'objectivity'. It depends on where you are standing. Don't accept that the allegation about not being concerned with factual accuracy is correct. That is just spin.<br /><br />Nor do I accept your summing up of Ilan Pappe's views. Too simple and betray your own agenda.<br /><br /> Pappé freely expresses his attitude toward historical investigation and academic objectivity:<br /><br />Given that Israel spent years on a deliberate falsification of what happened during the Nakba, making up tales of instructions to the refugees to leave over the radio when no such broadcasts occurred, as Erskine Childers and Rashid Khalidi found when in 1961 they independently checked BBC and CIA transcripts of the relevant broadcasts, we can take it that none of George's favourite historians are objective or truthful.<br /><br />And yes, Nakba denial is no different in principle from holocaust denial.<br /><br />Historians usually have pretty fixed opinions on their subject and look for evidence to back up their theses. That is true in many fields in history, not simply Palestine<br /><br />But it is noticeable how the Zionist lobby does its best, not to challenge what Pappe says, but to prevent him saying it.<br /><br />That is the purpose of the article. To highlight the little police state functionaries who operate on behalf of the Zionist movement, always trying to get the rich and powerful to censor opinions they disagree with. And why not since they are incapable of defending their views before civilised human beings.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-87029243331656755602012-02-20T09:50:34.872+00:002012-02-20T09:50:34.872+00:00Pappé has long acknowledged that he is not objecti...Pappé has long acknowledged that he is not objective and cares little about factual accuracy. He readily admits that ideology drives his historical writings and statements. And his ideology can be simply summed up: Israel is illegitimate and should be the target of international sanctions until it is dismantled as a Jewish state. <br /><br />Pappé freely expresses his attitude toward historical investigation and academic objectivity: <br /><br />There is no historian in the world who is objective. I am not as interested in what happened as in how people see what's happened. ("An Interview of Ilan Pappé," Baudouin Loos, Le Soir [Bruxelles],Nov. 29, 1999)<br /><br />I admit that my ideology influences my historical writings...(Ibid)<br /><br />Indeed the struggle is about ideology, not about facts. Who knows what facts are? We try to convince as many people as we can that our interpretation of the facts is the correct one, and we do it because of ideological reasons, not because we are truthseekers. (Ibid) <br /><br />The debate between us is on one level between historians who believe they are purely objective reconstructers of the past, like [Benny] Morris, and those who claim that they are subjective human beings striving to tell their own version of the past, like myself. (“Benny Morris’s Lies About My Book,” Ilan Pappé, Response to Morris’ critique of Pappé’s book, “A History of Palestine” published in the New Republic, March 22, 2004, History News Network, April 5, 2004)<br /><br />[Historical] Narratives... when written by historians involved deeply in the subject matter they write about, such as in the case of Israeli historians who write about the Palestine conflict, is motivated also... by a deep involvement and a wish to make a point. This point is called ideology or politics. <br /><br />Reminds me of some holocaust revisionists.........Georgenoreply@blogger.com