tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post7165383400319019408..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: BBC1's Big Question Programme on 'Anti-Semitism'Tony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-43443928412048856892009-11-21T01:09:05.207+00:002009-11-21T01:09:05.207+00:00http://shadowsbearsoutlook.blogspot.com/2009/11/is...http://shadowsbearsoutlook.blogspot.com/2009/11/isreli-lobby-in-uk-and-how-it.html<br />Well when it comes to being anti semetic = anything said against Israel is considered anti semite. Even the Goldstone report is considered ant semite even though there are many Jewish communities who agree with it. <br />What I am saying now would be considered by the Israeli Zionists as ant semitic. <br />If you happen to be Jewish you are considered a self hating Jew which is just ridiculous. <br />They want to kill our freedom of speech so we are all silenced. <br />The link above is a prime example of how they do what they do. They even try to stop the freedom of the press.Thinking.......https://www.blogger.com/profile/07950856101043677672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-86000185113600089162009-11-20T22:21:53.575+00:002009-11-20T22:21:53.575+00:00I'm sure every little helps but it would be a ...I'm sure every little helps but it would be a case of looking down the wrong end of a telescope to see British foreign policy explained in terms of their petty bribes to politicians. Same in the USA. <br /><br />Both the USA and Britain support Israel because it is in their interests to do so and it was one of the defining features of New Labour that it was pro-Zionist, unlike the Labour Left.<br /><br />And they are right. If you look at how demoralised and divided the Arab world is then it has been a successful strategy to keep the oil flowing.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-21136746459588731482009-11-20T17:40:25.397+00:002009-11-20T17:40:25.397+00:00Well, at least they didn't have Atzmon as a mu...Well, at least they didn't have Atzmon as a musical guest...Slow Factoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12056080802746709323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-36700453170071570502009-11-20T15:50:11.805+00:002009-11-20T15:50:11.805+00:00Tony:
"The Tories (& New Labour) support...Tony:<br /><br /><i>"The Tories (& New Labour) support Israel not because of filthy lucre [...]"</i><br /><br />I wouldn't dismiss the importance of the lucre too much. Every little helps...Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-20255096522127411072009-11-20T14:17:49.954+00:002009-11-20T14:17:49.954+00:00I don't usually allow the Zionist whose commen...I don't usually allow the Zionist whose comment is previous to post as he always tries to be insulting (whilst never quite succeeding). <br /><br />He's an idiot because he posted this to the wrong discussion even, but there you go.<br /><br />National humiliation? Gosh, everyone though Haim and myself did really well given we were outnumbered. <br /><br />The Jewish Chronicle made my comments the lead item on the story http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/22078/boycotter-blames-board-antisemitism-britain so if that's national humiliation I'd like a bit more!!<br /><br />What is more to the point is that people can see very clearly the logic of the argument, which is:<br /><br />1. Israel invades and bombs Gaza killing 1,400 people including 400 children.<br /><br />2. The Board organises a 'peace rally' with the main slogan of 'End Hamas Terror'. This when white phosphorous shells were being launched at UN schools and at the population, when innocent people were being terrorised. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT THE BOMBING<br />http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822656.stm<br /><br />3. Not only do the Board organise the rally but they do it in the name of the Jewish Community<br />http://www.boardofdeputies.org.uk/page.php/17,000_TURN_OUT_TO_SUPPORT_ISRAEL/258/103/3<br /><br />since they call themselves the representative body of the Jewish community.<br /><br />4. So if people see that Jews in Britain support the murder of 1,400 people, children included (& Israel's rabbis are now justifying the slaughter of children too - as long as they are non-Jewish of course!) then that will inevitably result in antagonism to Jews, which is then termed anti-Semitism. If most Jews find difficulty in separating their Jewishness from being a Zionist, then how much more difficult is it for non-Jews?<br /><br />5. And perhaps our anonymous idiot even will understand this? If not, it pjavascript:void(0)roves my point!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-65868820527412070812009-11-20T13:55:27.034+00:002009-11-20T13:55:27.034+00:00Tony Greenstein - you got nationally humiliated on...Tony Greenstein - you got nationally humiliated on television. Your baseless arguments attaching the statements of the Board of Deputies (which you did your best to distort) with the broader Jewish community was a farcical attempt at justifying the increase of anti-semitism in this country.Zionist Idiot - Anonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-13304859746059678192009-11-20T00:17:52.322+00:002009-11-20T00:17:52.322+00:00Well you know my views on Ms Palin Maria. She is ...Well you know my views on Ms Palin Maria. She is symptomatic of the dumb biblical fundamentalist messianic Yank. She makes idiocy into a virtue. What more can I say?!<br /><br />Didn't see the Channel 4 programme though I will try and catch up with it. Hoffmann is our best friend. When we were picketting the Ahava shop in Covent Garden his shouting managed to deter more people than us. Really he is a good friend which is why I sent a letter to the Jewish Chronicle defending him against his stiff upper lip opponents in the Zionist community!<br /><br />Re the programme itself. There's always a danger of people missing the symptoms for the reality. These lobbies are undoubtedly reactionary and generally nasty. But they aren't the reason for the policy. The Tories (& New Labour) support Israel not because of filthy lucre etc. but because it's in Britain's imperial interests to do so.<br /><br />People often say, well it makes the Arabs hate us. Probably true and so? Given we steal their oil and bribe their rulers to oppress the masses who might want to follow a different path, what else do we expect? Imperialism has never wanted popularity as long as the money and goods flow westwards.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-84482637523987849592009-11-19T16:34:28.419+00:002009-11-19T16:34:28.419+00:00Oh boy. Tony, I don't know how you keep you...Oh boy. Tony, I don't know how you keep you're cool with these numpties: the new Hoffman is now funnier than Mad Mel Phlips, now he's found a home at CIFWatch.<br /><br />A very good post, unfortunately overshadowed by the controversy (weeelll, you know...) around Peter 'Blood Libel' Oborne's rather tame 'Inside Britain's Israel Lobby'.<br /><br />"That is the United States of America you". Indeedy... *sigh*Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-7935962811403849692009-11-19T11:16:07.405+00:002009-11-19T11:16:07.405+00:00The Newsnight segment included a clip of Palin bei...The Newsnight segment included a clip of Palin being quizzed by veteran celebrity interviewer, Barbara Walters. She was asked her opinion of the Obama's "hard line" - Newsnight's words, not mine - on Israeli settlements.<br /><br />Her reply was, uh, interesting. Made Tzipi Livni look like a vegan pacifist.Red Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858695355021361726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-90918098918321220732009-11-19T02:38:11.778+00:002009-11-19T02:38:11.778+00:00No I didn't see her but it is a testimony to t...No I didn't see her but it is a testimony to the stupidity of the American right-winger that the dumb and even more stupid Palin is an object of their hero worship.<br /><br />Imagine, she makes a virtue of her stupidity and corruption and this is seen as an emblem of success. A pity since Alaska is apparently very beautiful and yet it elected someone whose only claim to fame is her racist stupidity.<br /><br />That is the United States of America for you.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-88838895626871102562009-11-18T23:38:43.842+00:002009-11-18T23:38:43.842+00:00You don't want to see tonight's Newsnight ...You don't want to see tonight's Newsnight segment on Sarah Palin on iPlayer. <br /><br />You really don't want to see it.<br /><br />It will put you in a bad mood.Red Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00858695355021361726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-35673514599024759982009-11-18T21:00:39.529+00:002009-11-18T21:00:39.529+00:00bottom line - did you see Peter Oborne on Ch. 4 on...bottom line - did you see Peter Oborne on Ch. 4 on Monday, 8pm?<br /> <br />lots you would disagree with I've no doubt - but exposed the huge amounts of money going to the Tories from Israeli lobby sources.<br /> <br />ValxValnoreply@blogger.com