tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post6174669210291178515..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Atzmon & Friends Declare War on the Palestine Solidarity MovementTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-31172984061464781512011-12-04T00:50:23.148+00:002011-12-04T00:50:23.148+00:00" Jean Barrot was right when he wrote that th..." Jean Barrot was right when he wrote that the worst product of fascism was antifascism. It has led marxists away from class analysis and down the dead ends of liberalism, multiculturalism etc." Anonymous<br /><br />Yes! Yes! Yes! Well maybe... I can think of a few worse things I have to admit, but it's high on the list. Hence we have crypto-zionist frauds like Searchlight's 'Hope Not Hate' pushing a line like we have to bury our differences with the Tories and New Labour to unite against the imminent threat of a Fourth Reich posed by a few hundred football hooligans and some occultist nerds...jock mctrousersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-76850857182930877342011-12-03T17:10:03.990+00:002011-12-03T17:10:03.990+00:00joe90 kane said...
"My local PSC is the Scot...joe90 kane said...<br /><br />"My local PSC is the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign."<br /><br />Remind the readers joe90 kane, that your PSC... posted the winning entry from Iran’s notorious Holocaust cartoon competition of 2006 on its website.<br /><br />Well that's not Antisemite and Holocaust DENIAL, Thats art for the SCOTTISH PSC and freedom of speech.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-740363700548731522011-12-03T16:37:59.269+00:002011-12-03T16:37:59.269+00:00greenstein and tovarishch joe90
See how your argu...greenstein and tovarishch joe90 <br />See how your arguments are poor, no wonder Atzmon makes a joke out of you you write<br />"Secondly there are Zionist organisations in this country and Zionists who are members, yet they don't move to Israel. People like Alan Dershowitz for example. So my dear anon, u r 2 clever by half!"<br /><br />How can yuou compare as Atzmon despise Israel and Zionism, show me one proof, that even contradicts or show the opposite in his writings, show me one place were Atzmon dose not despise,dose not citisize, dose not show his objection to anything that concerns Israel or Zionism.......<br />Show your readers any argument...... (bet you will delete this comment as you have none) .<br />your comparison Atzmon to people like Dershowitz, or Israelis that left Israel and are still Zionist, just proves why Atzmon pushes you out of every activity of the PSC in the UK .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-69168758618487968782011-12-03T14:03:27.404+00:002011-12-03T14:03:27.404+00:00"I have previously taught, for many years, Ge..."I have previously taught, for many years, German EFL students and nearly all of them, when asked, said that Hitler was voted into power by 'the poor'."<br /><br />That is partly a reflection on the class of student that attends EFL school in Brighton. <br /><br />It is what the well-to-do in Germany *want* to think. They would find it difficult to admit that "the sort of people who voted for Hitler are, er, people like us".<br /><br />That said, the middle and lower middle classes voted for Hitler precisely because they were financially ruined or staring into the abyss. They WERE poor but (especially in an economic crisis on the scale of 1930-33) you don't have to be working class to be poor! <br /><br />The decision to join a movement one of whose main aims was to throw Jews out of business was therefore a "rational" one, i.e. it was not based on "racism" like the left - which has abandoned dialectical materialism in favor of a soppy politically correct liberalism - would have us believe. No, the aryan middle classes turned on the Jews as a way of eliminating competition and cashing in on their business. There are plenty of examples of Nazi party officials acquiring Jewish businesses on the cheap in the thirties.<br /><br />The racism - which drew on traditional east European antisemitism - provided ideological cover, though of course, the reality is that Jews DID have economic wealth and influence out of proportion to their actual numbers (that is what made them such an attractive target).<br /><br />Gilad Atzmon is not a marxist but he does appreciate that treating Hitler as simply being an antisemitic "monster" explains nothing. The fact is that broad sections of the German population, and in particular the numerically strong rural middle classes, were keen supporters of his movement. <br /><br />This is NOT because Germans are by nature racist (as Jewish ideologists such as Goldhagen say) but because of economics. In another country in another era it could be other economically strong minorities who are on the receiving end.<br /><br />If marxists want to be respected and have a voice in the working class, they should face such facts.<br /><br />Jean Barrot was right when he wrote that the worst product of fascism was antifascism. It has led marxists away from class analysis and down the dead ends of liberalism, multiculturalism etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50475632798334116172011-12-03T00:59:03.660+00:002011-12-03T00:59:03.660+00:00Here's the reference I had in mind, where Prof...Here's the reference I had in mind, where Prof Evans discusses the claims of Gelatelly and others, that devices such as Hitler's plebsicites can be used to prove the Fuhrer was popular - in his <i>The Third Reich in Power</i> pbk, 2006, p108 ff.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50121164658437635742011-12-02T23:34:54.024+00:002011-12-02T23:34:54.024+00:00Throughout the whole of the Weimar Republic period...Throughout the whole of the Weimar Republic period the KPD was the only party to always increase its vote at every successive election. This is one of the reasons why Hitler became such an attractive option for the German establishment afraid of the growing influence and increasingly organised working class.<br /><br />Hitler's popularity got a boost from the 'Battle of France' where he scored yet another seemingly quick, cheap and relatively bloodless victory. The mood turned once the German people realised Britian was not going to make peace terms under any circumstances and there was going to be a prolonged struggle. Hitler's strategy was always to try to make others pay for his wars, not the German people, because that is what led to revolution at the end of World War I.<br /><br />Once Hitler launched Operation Barbarossa the German people realised it was do or die. They had to get behind the Fuhrer if they didn't want to be over-run by the Red Army. The cynical Hitler left them no option but to "support" him.<br /><br />Under the Nazi terror propaganda state there is not much objective evidence for popular moods and opinions, naturally. Plebscite returns show an increasing support for Hitler's prefered choices, which show the effectiveness of his terroristic regime. People wouldn't know if voting papers had been secretly marked or not, and anyway, no public opnion was allowed to be expressed which Hitler hadn't approved of beforehand.<br /><br />If the Fuhrer had've been sure of his people's deep love for him he wouldn't have needed a terrorist dictatorship to keep himself in power. Hitler was never honest at anytime with anyone, not even with the German establishment who could never have imagined his Nazis would eventually set up parallel structures which would take over the functions of the state when it suited.<br /><br />Anything German people felt for Hitler after WWII was influenced by the complete destruction of the German organised left. It shouldn't come as a surprise if Germans of post-WWII might have feelings for the Fuhrer and his Third Reich given that most who despised him had been eliminated and their organisations and institutions crushed. In a way, that was the real Nazi victory. The elimination of the organised German left-wing movement.<br /><br />Sorry I don't have the references to hand, but Prof Richard Evans discusses these issues in relation to Robert Gelatelly's claims about the popularity of Hitler made in 'Backing Hitler: Consent and Coercion in Nazi Germany' (2001).<br /><br />ps <br />The stupid Anonymous says,<br /><i>"No wonder that you and you small brained friends are just falling apart and even the PSC are mocking you.<br />Keep on with the pearls, just makes it clear that Atzmon is making a joke out you all."</i><br />- My local PSC is the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign. <br /><br />You won't hear antisemitic Atzmon mention the Scottish PSC much because they refused to flatter his worthless antisemitic ego and told him he wasn't wanted and never to come back.<br /><br />Scotland stands in solidarity with all anti-racists and those who reject Holocaust deniers such as Atzmon. <br /><br />We aren't interested in exploiting the pain and suffering of Jewish People or that of the Palestinian People in order to flog tawdry vile antisemitic books at the end of low-grade videos shot in Bradford -<br /><a href="http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1769:israel-shamir-admires-the-bnp-hitler-and-gilad-atzmon&catid=257&Itemid=200079" rel="nofollow">Israel Shamir admires the BNP, Hitler and Gilad Atzmon</a><br />Why the Campaign of solidarity with Palestinians must never admit the extreme right<br />02 Mar 2007<br />Scotish PSCjoe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-42681717624497362562011-12-02T21:23:25.939+00:002011-12-02T21:23:25.939+00:00When people start using phrases like 'talmudic...When people start using phrases like 'talmudic mode of excommunication' I know they are talking anti-Semitism. Why not Catholic excommunicatvion?<br /><br />Anon thinks he's on to a winner because if Zionist is someone who believes in living in Israel then Atzmon can't be one as he moved away. Firstly at least 10% and probably more of Israeli Jews have migrated, but that doesn't mean most of them aren't Zionists.<br /><br />Secondly there are Zionist organisations in this country and Zionists who are members, yet they don't move to Israel. People like Alan Dershowitz for example. So my dear anon, u r 2 clever by half!<br /><br />I.e. not at all.<br /><br />To the German anon. I don't disagree with what you say. The SA was a mass movement, at least until the night of the long knives. And clearly, as I said, the middle classes, peasants and also professionals voted for Hitler. In Bavaria in particular they voted primarily for the Catholic Centre Party.<br /><br />And yes within the working class votes shifted from the SPD to the KPD, though the latter's 3rd position, imposed by Stalin, meant that they termed the SPD 'social fascist' and thus equated them with the Nazis.<br /><br />I have previously taught, for many years, German EFL students and nearly all of them, when asked, said that Hitler was voted into power by 'the poor'. I therefore take it that they learnt t his at school. Maybe the text books have changed as I haven't taught them for about 10 years now.<br /><br />Another anon doubts that Atzmon says the Jews caused the crisis. He doesn't say it outright but his focus on Greenspan, who he virtually accuses of engineering the crisis, shows that. Suggest you read 'wandering who' or just do some homework"!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-82792705148875702402011-12-02T18:12:15.584+00:002011-12-02T18:12:15.584+00:00There is a new leader to the PSC....
"To some...There is a new leader to the PSC....<br />"To some extent the PSC - belongs to the old world.<br />The old Red Commissar is dead and so are the other Talmudic forms of excommunication.<br />Instead, the PSC should communicate with the masses and proclaim far and wide that same, vital, humanist message:<br /><br />WE ARE ALL PALESTINIANS"<br /><br />Instead of suggesting what is 'right' and who is 'kosher', the PSC should come up with a single, short, incisive but inclusive statement.<br /><br />"WE ARE ALL PALESTINIANS"<br /><br />we are indeed, all Palestinians. So, like Palestinians, we also need to be liberated.<br />engaged mainly in restricting the discourse and stifling freedom of speech, thought and expression. The organisation that was founded to fight for the rights of the expelled Palestinians, has itself, started to expel and abuse its most notable and dedicated activists and thinkers.<br /><br />Hip Hip Hurray ......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-16385666314622240032011-12-01T19:28:55.055+00:002011-12-01T19:28:55.055+00:00Uhhh, look who is the Audience of Atzmon in his la...Uhhh, look who is the Audience of Atzmon in his last gig "the Red Leicester Choir A socialist choir"<br />Uhhh your Socialist friends are most of the Audience.<br />This is what they write:<br />Raise Your Banners 2011<br /><br />Last weekend, a fair slice of Red Leicester went to the Raise Your Banners festival of political song in Bradford. We sung with many other socialist choirs at the Cathedral, went to some fantastic workshops, and had the opportunity to go to gigs by Seize the Day, Sisters Unlimited, Gilad Atzmon, Peggy Seeger and many others!<br />http://redleicesterchoir.com/2011/11/30/raise-your-banners-2011/<br /><br />You should invite the Nazi RED Choir to sing for you a Hanuka song by wagner.<br />Socialist my Ass you are all Racist Nazis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18910177198749867662011-12-01T18:50:24.655+00:002011-12-01T18:50:24.655+00:00joe90 kane said...
"You don't actually ne...joe90 kane said...<br />"You don't actually need to live in Israel to be a zionist" <br />The more you write, the more you expose your little brain.<br />So someone who believes as you claim "it's zionists who promote the idea that Israel is where Jews belong" and you claim that Atzmon is a Zionist.<br />He Lived in Israel, you claim he is a Zionist, so why did he exiled to the UK, to explore sunny London ??, you fool, he Exiled, as he despise Zionism and Israel.<br />So you claim that he promotes "Israel is where Jews belong", but he himself exiled.<br />No wonder that you and you small brained friends are just falling apart and even the PSC are mocking you.<br />Keep on with the pearls, just makes it clear that Atzmon is making a joke out you all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-52056934505554317632011-12-01T18:45:34.936+00:002011-12-01T18:45:34.936+00:00Seems to me that Hitler’s regime was a fairly bana...Seems to me that Hitler’s regime was a fairly banal dictatorship, trivial only in its differences with many other despots. It’s essentially a pyramid scheme with an elite that ‘loves’ the Dear Leader because of giant carrots and big sticks designed to keep the faithful faithful, while most of the population simply fears said regime and complies or else. A terror state, in short. And yes, there are always some numbskulls in the population who can’t see that… And in the territories conquered by such states there are always opportunistic collaborators who’ll declare undying love for the new regime because they benefit from doing so.<br /><br />What’s sad about Paul Eisen is that I can’t find fault with the Remember Deir Yassin site. It’s even endorsed by Zochrot. Sadly, it’s now impossible to refer to it because of a Holocaust denier’s endorsement of it.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-47569388043738869672011-12-01T16:56:06.661+00:002011-12-01T16:56:06.661+00:00"Despite what is taught in the American sylla..."Despite what is taught in the American syllabus of post-war Germany, the working class never supported Hitler and continued up till November 1932 and even in the unfree elections of March 1933 to support the KPD and SPD."<br /><br />This is undoubtedly true except the first sentence.<br /><br />My children studied history in a German school. I have seen their text books. There is no suggestion that the working class supported Hitler in large numbers. <br /><br />The main change in the working class vote was a shift from SPD to KPD. <br /><br />However, that does not alter the fact that the middle class was numerically very large and that the majority of middle and lower middle class voters voted for Hitler. <br /><br />How else can you explain that he got more than a third of all votes cast in the last free election (at the end of 1932)?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-9075223031316100872011-12-01T16:29:04.395+00:002011-12-01T16:29:04.395+00:00By the way the SA had 700,000 members in January 1...By the way the SA had 700,000 members in January 1933, on the eve of the Nazi seizure of power.<br /><br />To pretend this was not a mass movement is just a lie that does not help anyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-9074526651416709002011-12-01T16:25:21.947+00:002011-12-01T16:25:21.947+00:00"I mean, according to the Atzmon solidarity c..."I mean, according to the Atzmon solidarity campaign, Jews are responsible for the global economic crisis"<br /><br />Joe90, I never found that claim in anything Gilad has written. Could you please provide a reference?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-39005194474976435132011-12-01T16:21:56.628+00:002011-12-01T16:21:56.628+00:00First of all I am not an apologist for Hitler. How...First of all I am not an apologist for Hitler. However, I am a supporter of the truth, even when it does not suit "anti-fascists". <br /><br />The Nazis got 37% of the vote in 1932 and their organizations such as the SA attracted a mass movement of activists.<br /><br />Once again, Mr Greenstein has misrepresented what I wrote. I did NOT say that Hitler had huge support, I said that Hitler had huge support among sections of the German population. Among other sections support covered the full spectrum from hostility through passive acceptance to active support.<br /><br />I will now introduce marxism and class analysis into the discussion, if that isn't too upsetting for Mr Greenstein. <br /><br />Hitler had mass support within the (numerically very large) German middle class, and especially the lower middle class. These people had been largely ruined by two economic crises in the 1920s, first the great inflation of 1923, which wiped out their savings. Secondly, the unemployment that followed the crash of 1929 meant they could not even be absorbed by the proletariat. They faced utter ruination.<br /><br />The rural middle classes were hardest hit.<br /><br />The Nazis offered them hope. Not least because they promised to eliminate the Jews and thereby eliminate competition for many "aryan" small businessmen, officials, academics etc.<br /><br />(Plus the Nazis promised to tame the organized working class etc ... but this isn't the time to go into that.)<br /><br />Of course you will find exceptions. In my home city (Mannheim) I don't think the Nazis ever got more than 25% of the vote because most middle classes voted for the Catholic Centre Party, the party of Reichkanzler Müller, who was a local boy. And of course the Nazis got some votes among the working class and the unemployed etc.<br /><br />But their bedrock support was the "aryan" middle class. And here, Hitler was adored as a saviour.<br /><br />Read Detlef Peukert for more on this.<br /><br />"What happened to Germans who admitted in public that they didn't love the Fuhrer?"<br /><br />Well I think we all know the answer to that. The mayor of my village was executed for refusing to give the Hitler Gruss, for example.<br /><br />That does not alter the fact that many German people loved Hitler. You can create a climate of fear but you cannot create a mass movement of activists without a broad base of support. And that is what Hitler did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-88366607657735726762011-12-01T15:30:20.586+00:002011-12-01T15:30:20.586+00:00There is no evidence that Hitler had huge support ...There is no evidence that Hitler had huge support from the German population between the invasion of France and Operation Barbarossa. Ian Kershaw in 'Popular Opinion etc.' suggests that people were very wary and afraid of what might happen and reprisals. <br /><br />The fact is that any dissent led to a concentration camp so it is hardly possible to measure except that the Nazis worked very hard to instil any enthusiasm for anti-Semitism via films and so on.<br /><br />No I did not misrepresent Eisen. I quoted from him! I oppose outlawing opinions, including holocaust denial opinions. Bans usually achieve their opposite.<br /><br />As a Marxist it is quite clear who 'loved' Hitler i.e. gave him some support - junkers, farmers, peasants in some areas, Protestants more than Catholics and the middle class and professions, plus the industrialists.<br /><br />Despite what is taught in the American syllabus of post-war Germany, the working class never supported Hitler and continued up till November 1932 and even in the unfree elections of March 1933 to support the KPD and SPD.<br /><br />I very much doubt then that Eisen is being honest, except about his own sympathies, since truth is certainly not something he deals in.<br /><br />Stalin was not Hitler. He didn't seek to wipe out whole 'races'. Nor was he responsible for anywhere as near as many deaths as Hitler, despite the revisionist rewriting of history. Stalin is remembered fondly for seeing off Hitler and providing the basics of a society not based on profit. Unfortunately the productive process was not democratic and there was an equal lack of democracy politically but only apologists for Hitler pretend that he is sanitised by reference to Stalin - Noltke & co.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-66703888545212216792011-12-01T14:56:49.089+00:002011-12-01T14:56:49.089+00:00What happened to Germans who admitted in public th...What happened to Germans who admitted in public that they didn't love the Fuhrer?<br /><br />Come to think of it, what happened to people whom the Fuhrer publicly admitted to not loving?<br /><br />A Fuhrer's love is funky kinda love indeed.<br /><br />I hear he went right off his own Germanic kind of people in the end. They let him down so he reckoned they deserved to perish. Nazi love is weird love.<br /><br /><br />From what I can make out of Anonymous latest incoherent and pointless comment it seems he disagrees that Atzmon is a zionist when its absolutely clear that Atzmon agrees with zionists about the place of Jews in the world.<br /><br />You don't actually need to live in Israel to be a zionist just like you don't have to be Jewish either. And if you follow Atzmon's unattributed plagiarism of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and Mein Kampf you'll realise he ascribes an important role to Jews outside Israel in the current era of Jewish global domination.<br /><br />It's that old racist conundrum - claiming minorities huddle together in ghettos and don't want to assimilate, but at the same time, they are also taking over and controlling the rest of society for their own benefit.<br /><br />I mean, according to the Atzmon solidarity campaign, Jews are responsible for the global economic crisis and are responsible for the US attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq - but they are unable to control the London-based PSC and can't stop Atzmon performing in Bradford.<br /><br />You have to laugh at the enormity of his ego.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-54388298170365364422011-12-01T13:07:28.410+00:002011-12-01T13:07:28.410+00:00"I think that's pretty good evidence as t..."I think that's pretty good evidence as to where Eisen's sympathies lie."<br /><br />Hopefully his sympathies are with being honest, even when the truth is unpalatable.<br /><br />It is also an unpalatable truth that Stalin commanded the deep affection of many Russians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-82646714479962470992011-12-01T12:45:20.843+00:002011-12-01T12:45:20.843+00:00"Apparently this is undoubedly the case, beyo..."Apparently this is undoubedly the case, beyond all question. I assume that there is evidence of this deep love by millions till the war's end?"<br /><br />Again this is a misrepresenation of what has been said.<br /><br />Opinion turned against Hitler after the invasion of Russia came unstuck.<br /><br />Before then he had huge support among large sections of the German population. It probably peaked in the period between the Battle of France and Operation Barbarossa.<br /><br />Where Paul Eisen is wrong is in suggesting that he is still cherished. I have lived in Germany for 16 years and find no evidence of this. There is, however, a growing fascination and a growing interest. That is why it is time to stop imposing legal restrictions on what can be said about the period.<br /><br />A more interesting question is which sections of the German population loved Hitler and why.<br /><br />As someone who *claims* to be a marxist you should know the answer to this.<br /><br />The answer is not the usual glib leftist one ("racists" or "antisemites").Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-45860871558566418982011-12-01T12:24:36.063+00:002011-12-01T12:24:36.063+00:00Anon writes that 'Eisen did not write that Hit...Anon writes that 'Eisen did not write that Hitler was loved by Germans in general, he wrote that he was DEEPLY loved by MANY Germans.'<br /><br />Apparently this is undoubedly the case, beyond all question. I assume that there is evidence of this deep love by millions till the war's end? Even the SS, his own personal bodyguard, under Sepp Dietrich were showing signs of rebellion by the war's end.<br /><br />And in fact your quote is incorrect. What Eisen wrote was the following:<br /><br />'Ernst Zundel was once involved in the publication of a book called The Hitler We Loved and Why, but Ernst Zundel was not the only German who loved Hitler and is probably not the only German who still loves Hitler. Millions of Germans loved Hitler who for twelve years impacted on them as no German has or probably ever will, and, though they never say so, must, deep down still cherish his memory.'<br /><br />He used the term millions and, despite not saying so, still treasured his memory. I think that's pretty good evidence as to where Eisen's sympathies lie.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-1601057342464141542011-12-01T10:47:34.891+00:002011-12-01T10:47:34.891+00:00Mr Eisen did not write that Hitler was loved by Ge...Mr Eisen did not write that Hitler was loved by Germans in general, he wrote that he was DEEPLY loved by MANY Germans.<br /><br />This is undoubedly the case, beyond all question.<br /><br />So why do you deny it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-67051268741564626412011-12-01T09:43:55.696+00:002011-12-01T09:43:55.696+00:00joe90 kane said...
" Just to remind Anonymous...joe90 kane said...<br />" Just to remind Anonymous, it's zionists who promote the idea that Israel is where Jews belong, not Nazis. And Atzmon is, after all, a zionist."<br /><br />I said you are a little Intelectual, but I must say the reading your pearls, makes you a smaller little intelectual.<br />If Atzmon is a Zionist (as you say) and you say the Zionist promote the idea that Israel is where Jews belong.<br />HOW COME HE CHOSE TO LIVE IN THE UK ????<br />where is your brains.......<br />While you are the Nazi who suggests, that he will move from where he chose to live (as you did), well that's what the Nazi's thought in the first place and then as you would choose, to use your chambers.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-32636609907162317662011-11-30T22:24:30.500+00:002011-11-30T22:24:30.500+00:00Paul,
you posted virtually the same message 3 tim...Paul,<br /><br />you posted virtually the same message 3 times. <br /><br />Because Hitler wasn't deeply loved by the Germans. How could he have been? And if he had been he would have put the matter to a vote. Fact is Nazi Germany was a terror police state but to you it was benign.<br /><br />You never seem to mention the thousands of workers and trade unionists who perished in places like Dachau and Sachsenhausen in the most terrible of conditions. All that matters is that Hitler was apparently loved. So loved that no one will admit to it now.<br /><br />You befriend Zundl and his miserable wife, proud Nazis. That is in itself enough reason. You doubt the holocaust happened because the overwhelming evidence is with the holocaust deniers. Yet you can only say this by discounting all eye witness testimony of survivors like Hajo Meyer.<br /><br />You disregard the voluminous Nazi documents such as the situation reports on the final solution in the wake of Operation Barbarossa or the admissions of all leading Nazis at Nuremburg whose defence was not that it didn't happen but that they didn't know.<br /><br />Or maybe you'd like to tell me where all of my father's family who were left in Poland disappeared to and countless other Jewish families.<br /><br />Hitler was foisted on the German people by the right-wing parties and industrialists and army. It was because the Nazis were losing support in 1932 (from 37% to 34% July-November). Their 'love' disappeared with little things like the 'euthenasia' campaign - which you and the revisionists never mention because it led directly to the final solution.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-38170923591732435702011-11-30T21:24:11.638+00:002011-11-30T21:24:11.638+00:00Tony,
Why do you think, just because I acknowledg...Tony,<br /><br />Why do you think, just because I acknowledge that Adolf Hitler was deeply loved by many Germans, do you conclude that he is loved by me?<br /><br />PaulPaul Eisennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-37489000213697453342011-11-30T20:04:44.386+00:002011-11-30T20:04:44.386+00:00Anonymous says ,
The little intelectual became a N...Anonymous says ,<br /><i>The little intelectual became a NAZI.<br />next time you are going to suggest to transfer......or a chamber.</i><br />- Just to remind Anonymous, it's zionists who promote the idea that Israel is where Jews belong, not Nazis. And Atzmon is, after all, a zionist. He believes what zionists consider to be a Jew, even quoting Chaim Wiezmnann in his 'Not in My Name' as an unimpeachable authority on the subject.<br /><br />Atzmon has recently admitted he is still a Jew, having previously confessed to have got rid of his Jewishness. Being a believer of zionism, the only logical course of action for this self-confessed zionist self-hating Jew is to return to Israel from his self-enforced exile.<br /><br />How apt you get two antisemitic solutions to the supposed Jewish Problem confused. I am not confused myself. I am merely taking Atzmon at his own word, which is never an easy task admittedly given he's such a liar and spouts mostly incomprehensible gibberish, and applying the appropriate traditional antisemitic zionist remedy.<br /><br />Anyway, here is Deborah Maccoby's excellent book review of Atzmon's pathetic racist drivel where she pulls a few threads together, and then some, on Atzmon's hardline zionist background and upbringing and his obsession with anti-zionist Jews -<br /><a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/cdp/member-reviews/A6KSX4SA0B3HG/ref=cm_pdp_rev_title_1?ie=UTF8&sort_by=MostRecentReview#R1KZGNK4HT5FAA" rel="nofollow">A book that must be exposed for what it is,</a><br />Amazon UK<br />14 Oct 2011<br /><br /><br />I may be a "little intellectual" but I make no claims to be anything other than what can be read in my comments. It's Atzmon and his band of brainless chumps who make pompous and bombastic claims for which there is no evidence for. <br /><br />See the following excellent blog article and thread which skewers Atzmon's pretentious intellectual claims and those of his sympathetic critics and supporters -<br /><a href="http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2011/11/commentary-on-philosophical-thinking-of.html" rel="nofollow">Commentary on the “Philosophical Thinking” of Gilad Atzmon</a> <br />Jews sans frontieres<br />26 Nov 2011joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.com