tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post5527571876175680090..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Brighton Sodastream Shop – Possibly the Quietest Place on the PlanetTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-27292064481387684282013-04-28T07:13:48.955+01:002013-04-28T07:13:48.955+01:00Hmm, good job! This is really something!Hmm, good job! This is really something!stonehttp://besthomeespressomachinereviews.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-40344392055308402752013-02-16T20:50:01.939+00:002013-02-16T20:50:01.939+00:00I had to think long and hard before publishing the...I had to think long and hard before publishing the above, obviously libellous comment, from Simon Cobbs. I've done so only in order to demonstrate what a pathological liar the leader of Sussex Friends of Israel is.<br /><br />Suffice to say I do none of the above and if I did 'fiddle with kiddies' then given I have 4 children, including one disabled boy, I'm sure my custody, caring and access rights would have been removed.<br /><br />But this is the standard trope of fascists and anti-Semites, both of which Cobb is. Watch this space for more concerning the latter!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-51835349579763901442013-02-16T18:46:01.685+00:002013-02-16T18:46:01.685+00:00Gonna get arrested, Greenstein. You can teach the ...Gonna get arrested, Greenstein. You can teach the inmates how to rig polls, steal creditcards and fiddle with kiddies. Have you packed the case?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-79280872909460763302013-02-11T01:50:32.037+00:002013-02-11T01:50:32.037+00:00Cobbs has also been seen chanting "Kill the j...Cobbs has also been seen chanting "Kill the jews" outside the shop, not to mention inviting protesters round the back for a "one on one". The man is unbalanced. No wonder Ecostream asked him to move elsewhere!<br /><br />What Zionists don't seem to understand is that waving Israeli flags in peoples faces is counter-productive, NOT because members of the public are anti-semitic but because they saw on their TVs Israeli citizens picnicking and sipping beer on the hills above Gaza while death and destruction rained down on women and children below!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-53362507238045803982013-02-11T00:48:28.039+00:002013-02-11T00:48:28.039+00:00Ok, easily made mistake but what I said still hold...Ok, easily made mistake but what I said still holds. I have personally seen Simon Cobb try and assault people and one occasion he tried it with me. I was struck by a gentleman going into the shop and then he tried the same coming out and when I blocked him, forcefully, he complained to the Police who had seen his original actions and did absolutely nothing.<br /><br />I have also been assaulted by 'Chelsea' the transvestite.<br /><br />No of course your supporters have done nothing wrong. How many members of the NF and BNP have told me that. Maybe the hysterical woman who screamed outside Batsheva that I would have no one to say kaddish for me when I was dead (being an atheist I don't give a flying fuck!) is just another example of the hysteria of your supporters.<br /><br />Yes you are right. The BNP is a disgusting racist, antisemitic and Islamophobic group and likewise the EDL. Strange then that the EDL marches wit Israel flags and the BNP describes itself, and was even described by a Board of Deputies spokesperson in the Guardian, Ruth Smeed, as Britain's most pro-Zionist parties.<br /><br />At Ahava, Zionists like Jonathan Hoffman (only Vice Chair of the Zionist Federation) and the EDL were virtually holding hands. It was only belatedly, after about 3 months, that JH sent an e-mail to the Police to ask for separate pens. The racism of those outside the Rachel Corrie concert a few years ago, with comments such as 'paki' were a thing to behold. http://azvsas.blogspot.co.uk/2010/08/jonathan-hoffman-of-zionist-federation.html<br /><br />You say you want no truck with the EDL/BNP but it's strange that never, not once, have Zionists participated in mobilisations such as that in Brighton on April 22nd last when probably a couple of thousand Brighton people poured on the streets to put an end to the EDL march. It took careful preparation. People such as myself from PSC were involved in that. There were NO Zionists for one simple reason.<br /><br />Zionism starts from the premise that anti-Semitism cannot be fought, that it is a natural phenomenon of the non-Jew to the Jewish 'stranger'. You know that is true and I could cite a host of Zionist writers to prove the point [Klatzkin, Herzl, Pinsker, Ruppin etc.]<br /><br />I haven't read the book by Nick Cohen and I've read enough from this pro-war turncoat but quite simply, support for the Palestinian people, who elected Hamas when faced with the collaborationist Fateh under Abbas is not the same as political support for Hamas. Likewise we support the opposition of Hezbollah to the Israeli blitzkrieg on Lebanon and salute that, not any alleged anti-Semitism of theirs.<br /><br />In fact despite being pilloried a number of Israeli Jewish women live in Gaza undisturbed indeed they are petitioning the Israeli government to visit family in Israel.<br /><br />That hardly seems compatible with the picture of Hamas as neo-Naz etc. Just as Ahmedinajad of Iran, for all his many crimes, presides over a state with 25,000 Jews, including one in their parliament (Majilis). Again hardly what Nazi Germany did. It is Zionism which has created what anti-Semitism there is by portraying its actions as 'Jewish'.<br /><br />Yes Hamas are undoubtedly homophobic. They are politically reactionary and if you google or search this blog you will notice a number of articles criticising Hamas politically so you and Nick Cohen are still wrong.<br /><br />And if you are talking mysoginy and homophobia, Hamas cannot better the haredim and ultra-orthodox, quite the contrary. Or did u miss the story about women being forced to sit at the back of Jerusalem buses?<br /><br />Hezbollah and Hamas are supported in so far as they resist the occupier, whoever that occupier is. This is a long debate in the Trotskyist and revolutionary movement. Just as the Left supported the feudal reactionary Haile Selassie against Mussolini's Italy in 1935-6.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-31287630013891052822013-02-10T23:48:54.917+00:002013-02-10T23:48:54.917+00:00False allegations of violence seem to persist desp...False allegations of violence seem to persist despite evidence to the contrary posted by the police over the course of the protests as has been pointed out.<br /><br />In addition the claims made by Ms. Williams and Mr. Cobbs are both totally untrue.<br /><br /> Mr. Cobbs says "I told the guy who chained himself outside the shop that if he wanted to bully someone, he could bully me,” Mr Cobbs explained. At no stage did he talk to the guy chained to the shop. He did assault a legal observer and did use the words to him. I should know I was next to him when it happened and gave a statement to the police quoting those very words. He attacked the legal observer from behind while I was talking to him and facing Mr. Cobbs who headed straight for us and was taken away by the police immediately afterwards. At no stage did he interact with the guy locked-on.<br /><br />As for Ms. Williams she claims that far from assaulting anyone she had her phone knocked out of her hand twice. She was questioned by police immediately after the incident as was another witness. Presumably if Ms. Williams' version of events as reported in the JC is true she would have told the officer and it would be recorded. Again I was there and spoke to the officer and no mention was made of this occurring. Why would the police attempt to get the victim to accept an apology if Ms. Williams had said that evening that the phone had been knocked out of her hand twice?<br /><br />Lies, false allegations and insults is the only language that seems to come from these people.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315363071882699156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-32591430658947429192013-02-10T23:42:41.114+00:002013-02-10T23:42:41.114+00:00I meant Ecostream not Veolia. For a start those wh...I meant Ecostream not Veolia. For a start those who have supported Ecostream have not engaged in any violence whatsoever. I therefore don't need to tell "my Zionist friends" as you lovingly refer to them anything, because they have done nothing wrong. <br /><br />The BNP is a disgusting racist, antisemitic and Islamophobic group, which the vast majority of Zionists have nothing to do with. The same applies to the EDL. As a proud Zionist, I believe I speak on behalf of many, that I have no truck whatsoever with the BNP and EDL.<br /><br />If you want to look at dodgy alliances, have a read of a great book by Nick Cohen: Whats Left. This documents how those on the far left have engaged and supported Islamic Extremist groups, who are homophobic, misogynist, antisemitic and hate moderate muslims (who are the vast majority of Muslims). Yet blinded by hatred of Israel, the far left joins in partnership with them. I've seen this first hand, when at PSC demonstrations the Hamas and Hezbollah flags have been held up high. Perhaps you should talk to "your friends" about that. Stephen Hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-80471362133217876332013-02-10T23:10:47.498+00:002013-02-10T23:10:47.498+00:00As usual, the same unsubstantiated allegations. &...As usual, the same unsubstantiated allegations. 'Some of those involved in protests against Veolia have got violent.' Who, when, where? And in your concern about violence, you might consider the violence of the occupation that Veolia benefits from.<br /><br />If the JC was just reporting it they would presumably have interviewed some of the protestors. But Pollard is on record as considering BDS an abomination, so the JC tells one side of the story only. And that is the lying side. Wasn't aware you could make a personal attack on a newspaper!<br /><br />Cobbs tried on one occasion to attack me but his actions were pointed out to the Police at the time and he feigned innocence. All the violence has been from the Zionist side because they can't take the fact that Sodastream is a polluted brand in Brighton and increasingly internationally.<br /><br />Caroline Lucas said she wanted hard evidence of your fabrications about anti-Semitic comments, spitting, anti-gay remarks etc. Since you have made everything up that will be difficult.<br /><br />Remember we are the ones who oppose groups like the EDL. You of course do not oppose British fascists, just as you didn't oppose European fascism and the Nazis. Reason? Anti-semitism and Zionism are two sides of the same coin. Both operate on the assumption that Jews don't belong in the diaspora.<br /><br />And of course the EDL/BNP/Breivik et. all are pro-Israeli/Zionist (& of course anti-Semitic!).<br /><br />You say you have no problem with freedom of protest whatsoever, but this does not excuse violence, which is against the law. Agreed. Please tell your Zionist friends that.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-86234920415422469182013-02-10T22:57:06.646+00:002013-02-10T22:57:06.646+00:00I think anonymous demonstrates what a sad sicko he...I think anonymous demonstrates what a sad sicko he is. It's perfectly legal to take pictures of children, it depends on what the purpose is.<br /><br />The unemployed centre takes hundreds of pictures of children on outings and sends them to those who funded the outing. Only someone with a twisted and warped mind would think that there's anything wrong in taking photograph of a child or children taking part in a protest.<br /><br />I wasn't writing about bondage or domination. I was merely commenting on the Christian woman, Jill, who believes that BDS (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions) refers to her obviously keen interest in things to do with Bondage and Domination. I guess that that is one reason why some people become involved in these fringe 'Christian' sects.<br /><br />The parents were very happy about their children asserting what they believed in. Not all of us are authoritarians.<br /><br />But I also note that it's not beneath scum like Anon to allege that the children came back, conveniently no one recorded it, to yell 'anti-Semitic' abuse. So children too who don't agree with Zionist ethnic cleansing are also anti-Semites?<br /><br />I tend to think that the indoctrination of Israeli kids and that appalling photo I once put up of a young Israeli girl writing a message on a missile destined for Lebanon is the real pornography - the pornography of war. Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-8719077386582666352013-02-10T20:51:45.829+00:002013-02-10T20:51:45.829+00:00These supporters of the shop really are a slightly...These supporters of the shop really are a slightly sorry and pathetic bunch aren't they.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315363071882699156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-589931891138170462013-02-10T20:32:02.725+00:002013-02-10T20:32:02.725+00:00As usual Tony don't let the truth get in the w...As usual Tony don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Some of those involved in protests against Veolia have got violent. The JC is just reporting it. Just because, you disagree with it you go onto pathetic personal attacks on the JC, its writers and Simon Cobbs. Even Caroline Lucas, hardly a friend of Israel, has said she recognises and will look into concerns people have about how the protests have got out of hand in relation to Ecostream. I have no problem with freedom of protest whatsoever, but this does not excuse violence, which is against the law. Stephen Hoffmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-30353182456762533022013-02-10T19:02:39.257+00:002013-02-10T19:02:39.257+00:00Hope the parents approve of you taking photos of u...Hope the parents approve of you taking photos of underage kids and plastering it on your sleazy blog.. ESP after youve been writing about bondage, and submission, and domination :-0 And then you talk about children:----o Most parents I know would think it's a bit... You know.. A bit... suspectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50987661664523310822013-02-10T18:56:45.297+00:002013-02-10T18:56:45.297+00:00Tonys taking kiddies pictures.. Naughty naughty. Tonys taking kiddies pictures.. Naughty naughty. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-81054294513811181722013-02-10T18:11:04.307+00:002013-02-10T18:11:04.307+00:00This afternoon one of these charming and delightfu...This afternoon one of these charming and delightful counter protesters has made a claim on Twitter that the youngsters pictured returned after the demo to racially abuse them. <br /><br />Since they all left with an adult this seems quite unlikely and I'm guessing it's yet another case of just making stuff up as per the JC article on the basis that generally it's harder for kids to defend themselves against accusations made by adults. Of course they need to have proof and I would suggest that since they have had to rely on circulating your photo they have absolutely no evidence and will again end up exposing themselves to ridicule and will achieve nothing.<br /><br /> Funny that after their incessant filming they don't have their own footage of the supposed "incident". But they say they have already contacted BHMF and will be contacting schools in an attempt to identify the youngsters. <br /><br />They're really not happy they turned up are they. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315363071882699156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-85778146154462482532013-02-10T16:34:49.170+00:002013-02-10T16:34:49.170+00:00Thanks to Tony for demonstrating yet again what a ...Thanks to Tony for demonstrating yet again what a rubbish job the JC is doing, and what a disservice to British Jews who feel obliged to toddle out and buy it once a week. Hopefully at least half of them realise it's peddling an Alice through the Loking Glass view of the world. Naominoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-8042325537892256792013-02-10T10:55:56.458+00:002013-02-10T10:55:56.458+00:00Nice one Tony. I think for extra effect they could...Nice one Tony. I think for extra effect they could get some branded tumbleweed to decorate the shop. Looking at the article author's twitter feed shows exactly how biased her reporting is. She is entitled to have a slant on her articles but she is not entitled to print downright provable lies and the article should be reported to the PCC. She's not even interpreting the evidence to push her own case, she's just making stuff up. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10315363071882699156noreply@blogger.com