tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post5386315791615781211..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Zionists Defend Ahava Staff Who Accuses Jews of Being ‘Christ Killers’Tony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-47688291295176895382010-12-28T15:52:10.250+00:002010-12-28T15:52:10.250+00:00Hi Dave
yes it wasn't a labour of love!
The ...Hi Dave<br /><br />yes it wasn't a labour of love!<br /><br />The lengths these people will go to to excuse away just about the most offensive anti-semitic comment in the book speaks volumes. <br /><br />The 'logic' of their argument seems to be that if 'provoked' then it's ok to come out with 'kikes' 'Jewish bastards' 'Jews bake matzos with gentile kids blood' and 'christ killer comments'. Really unbelievable and yet, almost to a man and woman, there is no condemnation.<br /><br />It shows that when they condemn 'anti-semitism' they are consciously saying it has nothing to do with what we know as anti-semitism, attacks etc. but is simply redefining opposition to zionism and support for the Palestinians de facto as 'anti-semitism'<br /><br />In other words they are consciously cynical and couldn't care less about what they are doing to render people immune to anti-semitism where it does occur.<br /><br />And they even have a German far-right/neo-Nazi type to back them up!<br /><br />But given they happily demonstrated alongside the EDL who can be surprised?Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-34636155348916901822010-12-28T14:14:05.113+00:002010-12-28T14:14:05.113+00:00Cheers Tony for trudging through all this dreck so...Cheers Tony for trudging through all this dreck so the rest of us don't have to! The complete lack of self-awareness of these Zionists is fascinating and probably will prove to be their downfall. <br /><br />Despite all, I still can't believe that they are unwilling to admit that this shopworker made the most antisemitic comment anyone could make. But I suppose they understand her anger, it reflects the vituperation they have against Jews who disagree with them and it also illustrates how Israel has become their religion irrespective of what it means to actual Jews.David Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-58412737012490129512010-12-27T23:29:37.560+00:002010-12-27T23:29:37.560+00:00Ah Gert but you have to hand it to Hoffman who has...Ah Gert but you have to hand it to Hoffman who has failed to restrain himself. When I have time, I'm updating this blog with lots of stories I didn't have time for in the past year, I shall turn my attention to his comments!<br /><br />Being a trot/stalinist you see!! <br /><br />Yoni seems just mad as well as illiterate.<br /><br />Silke seems quite a catch. Polish and German. The Volksdeutsche were the worst by and large, the fifth column that helped ferrett out Jews and murder them. They were really the pits and I don't want to castigate whole groups but Nazism infected 90% of them in Sudentenland, according to the last free elections.<br /><br />Still if Richard Millett wants to have a neo-Nazi back him up on his blog why should I complain? In the Zionist eyes a neo-Nazi is better than an anti-Zionist Jew, hence the support they gave to Atzmon against me.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-78149777694432054032010-12-27T21:05:39.824+00:002010-12-27T21:05:39.824+00:00In another post (yes, still a casa Millett) she ri...In another post (yes, still a casa Millett) she ridiculed German Communist efforts at fighting the nascent German fascism. And in a comment directed at a co-Zionist, she refused to distance herself from a new German Nationalist far right party. She also quite literally tried to comment spam the comment section of honourable fellow anti-Zionist, The Hasbara Buster, with literally hundreds (I kid you not!) irrelevant and abusive comments. She’s quite a piece of work…<br /><br />But the biscuit is easily taken by Millett’s latest darling: ‘Yoni’, who recently unequivocally posited that ‘Islamophobia doesn’t exist’ and ‘Islam is not a religion’… All that goes unchecked at Millett’s blog. But a woman invoking the ur-canard of Christian anti-Semitism? He’s almost ready to defend her in court! Zionism gives me a pointy head…<br /><br />Millett is the New Mad Mel...Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-44324371971267082222010-12-26T21:27:35.524+00:002010-12-26T21:27:35.524+00:00Gert
thanks for this. I suspected as much. She&...Gert<br /><br />thanks for this. I suspected as much. She'd already said she was German, though if she was Polish too, as has been claimed, she would have been one of the ethnic Germans/Volks Deutsche who settled the Incorporated Territories (Silesia/Warthgau). <br /><br />They filled the ranks of the murderers, falling over each other to occupy the houses of deported Jews and Poles. They were the ones the Nazis relied on in Hungary, Slovakia, Poland and of course Czechoslovakia to outdo the most fanatic SS men.<br /><br />Of course one shouldn't generalise and certainly in the Sudentenland there were many social democrats and communists who were persecuted amongst them, but in their overwhelming majority they voted for Hitler in the late 1930's.<br /><br />I suspected from her arguments that Silke had no real objection to anti-Semitism and therefore it was no surprise that she has found a home with Hoffman and Millett. After all Kaminsky and Zile have found a good home with their Israeli friends.<br /><br />And then they have the chutzpah to talk about 'anti-Semitism'!!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18754217288978022402010-12-26T20:39:42.373+00:002010-12-26T20:39:42.373+00:00Tony:
As for Silke. She is German, justifies ant...Tony:<br /><br /><b> As for Silke. She is German, justifies anti-Semitism and so it's a fair comment to suggest that family members were probably pro-Nazi.</b><br /><br />We know for a FACT that Daddy Silke joined the Nazi Wehrmacht voluntarily (she said so herself ON MILLETT'S BLOG, he's playing ingenue again), that she is Far Right and that she poured scorn on the fact that European countries were occupied by the Nazis. She has also ridiculed resistance to the Nazis by non-Germans. The apple didn’t fall far from the tree…Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-21366611858402879242010-12-26T14:37:24.233+00:002010-12-26T14:37:24.233+00:00There's no need to dig deeper, it's all al...There's no need to dig deeper, it's all already there Richard. What you mean is that you can't find anything convincing to explain the Christ killers comments.<br /><br />My comments re Silke were on account of her defence of the comments and her revelation that she was non-Jewish German. Who else but someone with a Nazi pedigree would come out with that? Ok, I agree. A Zionist too!!<br /><br />By not condemning a group one supports them? I know you don't do subtlety but what am I supposed to condemn them for? Making women wear veils? Fine. Attacks on Palestinian workers? Absolutely. Resisting Israeli bombs, tanks and assassinations? Nope. They represent an oppressed people.<br /><br />I think my views are quite clear from the post I did yesterday http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2010/12/red-flags-fly-in-gaza-on-43rd.html celebrating the 43rd anniversary of the PFLP, when thousands rallied in Gaza.<br /><br />If anyone should be concerned it is those who did and do their best to drive Palestinians into the hands of Hamas, i.e. Israel.<br /><br />I've yet to hear a condemnation of Israel's role in creating Hamas or supporting Islamic fundamentalism among Israeli Arabs for that matter.<br /><br />In short Richard, you are a hypocrite who blames the victim. But Hamas have nothing to do with Jews as Christ-killers. If they came out with such a remark I wouldn't hesitate to condemn the remark. <br /><br />What I wouldn't do is pretend it didn't happen or, even worse, make excuses for it. That is why you should be ashamed.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-62017765796517703432010-12-26T08:58:06.840+00:002010-12-26T08:58:06.840+00:00I'd love to dig deeper, Tony, but seeing as yo...I'd love to dig deeper, Tony, but seeing as you are prone to exagerrated explanations there is no point. I will stop with your racist comment of singling out a German as being a Nazi because they are German, while the rest of us don't get so labelled by you because we aren't German.<br /><br />Jonathan Hoffman doesn't have to comment anonymously. It is obvious who that comment is from as there have been very similar comments in my blog.<br /><br />And by not condemning Hamas you support them and their Charter in which it specifically calls for the killing of Jews.richard milletthttp://www.richardmillett.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-64734983015283474662010-12-26T04:18:01.090+00:002010-12-26T04:18:01.090+00:00Yes Millett seems determined to dig himself in a w...Yes Millett seems determined to dig himself in a whole. Accusing someone of anti-Semitism for saying Jews are 'christ killers' is apparently 'shameful'. But opposing the sale of stolen dead sea products is 'anti-Semitic'. <br /><br />They would certainly have done a better job of writing Alice Through the Looking Glass. But which one is the mad hatter?<br /><br />Yes Hoffman is quiet because the ZF have told him to shut up and even he has managed to understand that on a topic like this he mustn't say anything. Problem is that he has intervened in the debate to attack those of us who did criticise anti-Semitism, so he is hung by his own petard regardless.<br /><br />Yes my suspicions were the same as yours.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-48971481729622872362010-12-26T03:21:22.549+00:002010-12-26T03:21:22.549+00:00Well done for exposing Millett and his fellow comm...Well done for exposing Millett and his fellow commentators. Millett has exposed himself even further by commenting in your comments section! He really is going out of his way to make excuses for this women - something he would never do had these comments not been made by someone supporting an Israeli shop and had they been directed at a Zionist.<br /><br />And he cannot answer your points. When you point out that she confirmed that she had said Jews are Christ killer, Millett says, 'Your friends justify Hamas'. What has that got to do with it? Then he doesn't deny that he's justifying anti-semitism.<br /><br />I suspect that 'anonymous' is Hoffman. For some reason, he's not put his name.Deborah Finkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05479916311984549156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-54259633445527641422010-12-25T22:54:44.983+00:002010-12-25T22:54:44.983+00:00It is interesting to note the tortuous justificati...It is interesting to note the tortuous justifications being made for the woman in question.<br /><br />Now Richard Millett, unlike Jonathan Hoffman, is not stupid. So when he states that:<br /><br />'Because even if she said what she is supposed to have said i doubt she meant it to have been an anti-Semitic comment. <br /><br />Of course not. It was a friendly comment about how nice it is to be Jewish! There is no other possible interpretation of the comment, one of the most vile in the book of anti-Semitism and for you to even try to justify it is disgraceful Richard.<br /><br />Note that when Gilad Atzmon started accusing certain Jews of being christ-killers etc. I had absolutely no hesitation in pursuing the scumbag, even though certain Zionists like Mikey and Taube saw fit to have drinkies with him. <br /><br />For years I pursued and harried Atzmon. I had no hesitation in condemning his remarks.<br /><br />But when it comes to this woman, you make the most puerile and pathetic justifications.<br /><br />And of course Hamas is used as some form of bogey. If you were in the slightest sincere about Hamas, who have never said they are anti-Semitic and under whom Jews like Amira Hass have lived and who have always greeted Jews like Uri Avnery, then why did Shin Bet go out of their way to encourage their formation?<br /><br />But the reality is that Zionism and most of its adherents, as the posters prove, have no objection whatsoever to anti-Semitism. They work with them at all levels including the European Parliament. It is anti-Zionism they hate and with good measure.<br /><br />Hence why they demonstrated with and alongside the EDL outside Ahava.<br /><br />And then Richard Millett states that <br /><br />'All she might have been suggesting is that Bruce, who is Jewish, is a traitor for trying to do to the Jewish state the same as some think the Jews did to another Jew.'<br /><br />That was the Nazi attitude to German anti-Zionist Jews (the majority!). Hence why they gave support to the Zionist movement. We are traitors to something we never felt any loyalty to!! Just like Julian Assange I guess.<br /><br />Want to dig any deeper Richard?<br /><br />As for Silke. She is German, justifies anti-Semitism and so it's a fair comment to suggest that family members were probably pro-Nazi.<br /><br />Racist? Wasn't that what was said about the German hijacker of the Israeli plane to Entebbe, that she was a Nazi because she was German? You'll have to get up a bit earlier to catch me out on this one Richard!!!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-45020176553341998752010-12-25T21:48:42.969+00:002010-12-25T21:48:42.969+00:00'No I didn't hear her say that Jews are ch...'No I didn't hear her say that Jews are christ killers. I merely heard her confirm that she had said it. '<br /><br />But she didn't.<br /><br />She may have said the cameraman killed Christ.<br /><br />She clearly doesn't feel her Israeli Jewish employers killed Christ, whether because they are Jewish or otherwise.<br /><br /><br />She is making a distinction. It may be wrong, immoral or inaccurate. But it is a distinction.<br /><br />That Zionism is anti-Christ is a commonplace among pro-Palestinian Muslim and Christian nationalist supporters.<br /><br />How are Deborah Fink's Christmas Carols not conveying the message that Zionism is anti-Christ?<br /><br />'WHy do you Zionists always justify anti-Semitic comments if it's directed at anti-Zionists?'<br /><br />This from the man who tried to incite Muslims to hate British Jews by smearing them as EDL supporters...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-56053306917130566692010-12-25T20:36:12.676+00:002010-12-25T20:36:12.676+00:00As for racism what about you?:
"Silke one ca...As for racism what about you?:<br /><br />"Silke one can understand since she probably has Nazi pedigree, but the rest of you?"<br /><br />http://richardmillett.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/ahavas-female-staff-suffer-continued-bullying/#comment-5283<br /><br />Where's your blog on you being a hypocrite about racism? <br /><br />Unbelievable!richard milletthttp://www.richardmillett.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-31738014916956417842010-12-25T19:18:37.803+00:002010-12-25T19:18:37.803+00:00Because even if she said what she is supposed to h...Because even if she said what she is supposed to have said i doubt she meant it to have been an anti-Semitic comment. <br /><br />All she might have been suggesting is that Bruce, who is Jewish, is a traitor for trying to do to the Jewish state the same as some think the Jews did to another Jew.<br /><br />Of course I would condemn anti-Semitism. I condemn Hamas who expressly state that they are anti-Semites (and who you can't bring yourself to condemn even if they were democratically elected). <br /><br />But, as you well know, the charge of anti-Semitism is a very serious slur which I very rarely make, even against your side. The same applies to this woman.richard milletthttp://www.richardmillett.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-70507552983920315442010-12-25T18:18:53.351+00:002010-12-25T18:18:53.351+00:00There would be no point in suing for slander if yo...There would be no point in suing for slander if you are suing for libel because slander is far weaker and the damages far less. <br /><br />Actually you might be right in so far as Justice Eadie has made a significant ruling that internet libels are generally to be considered as slander, precisely because the damages are less.<br /><br />My parallel may be disproportionate but it is a comparable analogy. We didn't hear her, because the recorder wasn't switched on in time to anticipate what was coming but she confirmed it anyway, so there is absolutely no doubt what she said.<br /><br />You are becoming a stuck record. Hamas represents a people who are under siege and constant attack. They were virtually created by Israel, which supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza as a counterpart to secular Palestinian nationalism. You Zionists wanted them precisely so you could defame the Palestinians. In fact people voted for Hamas, you aren't anti-semitic in any event, but who reflect anti-Semitism at worst, because they stood up to the occupation. <br /><br />And in any event no one I know supports Hamas. they support the right of the Palestinians to vote for and support who they want. A basic democratic principle you don't understand. <br /><br />I can't recall anything about Christ-killing from Hamas. But do tell me, why don't you just condemn these remarks? What prevents you from saying, without any caveats, that what the woman said was unacceptable and wrong?<br /><br />It seems to me Richard that you will accept anything, however odious, if it comes from supporters of Israel.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-86028813405077066562010-12-25T17:57:57.433+00:002010-12-25T17:57:57.433+00:00i. I agree.
ii. I know, but in this case it could ...i. I agree.<br />ii. I know, but in this case it could be slander also.<br />iii. Your parallel is disproportionate.<br />iv. Your friends justify Hamas.<br />v. Thank you. You too.richard milletthttp://www.richardmillett.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-65206932744348554282010-12-25T13:33:37.497+00:002010-12-25T13:33:37.497+00:00Thanks Joe. I enjoyed it.
Richard:
i. You are ...Thanks Joe. I enjoyed it.<br /><br />Richard:<br /><br />i. You are not this woman.<br /><br />ii. If you sued for slander you would look even more foolish as slander is for the spoken word. Libel is for the written word.<br /><br />iii. There is no record of a written order for the Holocaust and no tape of any verbal order. Holocaust deniers use this to deny the holocaust. Your argument is similar.<br /><br />iv. No I didn't hear her say that Jews are christ killers. I merely heard her confirm that she had said it. How pathetic of you to hide behind the fact that the person recording wasn't fast enough when he established beyond doubt that she did say it.<br /><br />v. WHy do you Zionists always justify anti-Semitic comments if it's directed at anti-Zionists? We wouldn't justify it against you. It suggests that 'anti-Semitism' is a ploy and a tool and that you couldn't care less about it. Race and nation uber alles.<br /><br />A merry YuletideTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-31158847236777896672010-12-25T11:50:01.875+00:002010-12-25T11:50:01.875+00:00fantastic piece tony, I did one on this topic as w...fantastic piece tony, I did one on this topic as well for the ISM website, really is the pro-ahava crowds lowest moment!<br /><br />http://www.ism-london.org.uk/2544joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-45912731164080012010-12-25T08:05:26.652+00:002010-12-25T08:05:26.652+00:00If i was this woman I would sue for slander. Your ...If i was this woman I would sue for slander. Your whole argument is based on something you haven't seen her say. Your behaviour is bullying and shameful. You are the ones inventing anti-Semitism just for political gain. Call yourself the left? Do me a favour.....Richard Milletthttp://www.richardmillett.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com