tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post4802243298176077477..comments2024-03-19T03:08:41.935+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: The Death of Mary Rizzo's 'PeacePalestine' SewerTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger104125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-16744007963074200682008-05-03T21:26:00.000+01:002008-05-03T21:26:00.000+01:00Hey, if kiddyfiddlers can complain about human rig...Hey, if kiddyfiddlers can complain about human rights, then anti-Semites complaining about "free speech" is to be expected.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-45791959953090687062008-05-03T20:14:00.000+01:002008-05-03T20:14:00.000+01:00He's obviouslyone of mary's little lambs who belie...He's obviously<BR/>one of mary's little lambs who believes anything she says - never a sound policy.<BR/><BR/>typhoid mary is now complaining about 'censorship' on the internet - <BR/>- I don't know if that is an upgrade of 'gatekeeping' or a downgrade.<BR/><BR/>She even quotes the likes of John Pilger - never a dull moment with these two antismetic dullards, atzmon-rizzo.<BR/><BR/>What about Orwell, or better still, Goebbels who complained about being censored as well?joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-16019132966309677492008-05-03T19:59:00.000+01:002008-05-03T19:59:00.000+01:00Greg bacon is obviously an idiot since he doesn't ...Greg bacon is obviously an idiot since he doesn't realise that this is an actively anti-Zionist site.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-68550320913958277642008-05-03T19:45:00.000+01:002008-05-03T19:45:00.000+01:00GroupOberFuhrer Anthony- It's -'Oberstgruppenfuhre...<I>GroupOberFuhrer Anthony</I><BR/>- It's -<BR/><BR/>'Oberstgruppenfuhrer' <BR/>or <BR/>'Obergruppenfuhrer'<BR/><BR/>- numbskull!joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-52912810217062128492008-05-03T17:01:00.000+01:002008-05-03T17:01:00.000+01:00JA, VE endorse your taking down any blogs you disa...JA, VE endorse your taking down any blogs you disagree with.<BR/><BR/>VE can not have legit disccussion on the Israeli ethnic cleansing campaign against the indigenous Palestinians.<BR/><BR/>That VILL not be allowed.<BR/><BR/>Only stories which show how the brave and courageous Israelis are fighting against all odds can and must be shown.<BR/><BR/>And shown again... and again... and again.<BR/><BR/>Nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing shall show that for every Israeli death, over 30 Palestinians are murdered.<BR/><BR/>JA, VE don not want those dumb Americans to start thinking, Ja, that Vould be a disaster.<BR/><BR/>JA, VE know what we VANT and VE VILL get it.<BR/><BR/>Signed<BR/><BR/>GroupOberFuhrer AnthonyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-29129890465515476552008-05-01T19:26:00.000+01:002008-05-01T19:26:00.000+01:00By the way, I resubmitted the comment to Marys blo...By the way, I resubmitted the comment to Marys blog, this time with a real email address, and she still failed to post it, putting the lie to her claim that it was an issue of email addresses. <BR/><BR/>Rather she simply doesnt want to admit the fact that after all their stomping about and storming about (and Stürmering about) Atzmon lost his Indymedia battle.<BR/><BR/>Of course by refusing to post my comment she also puts the lie to the suggestion that the Holocaust denial comments that appear with such regularity on her blog are somehow beyond her control and the responsibility for their being on her site does not come right down on her head.<BR/><BR/>Will Mary ever allow a post on her blog to acknowledge that Atzmon lost the Indymedia battle? Very unlikely, her denial is too allpervasive.<BR/><BR/>And hello Joe. Apparently the proper response to 'howdy doody' is 'Kowabonga'<BR/><BR/>http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cowabunga?rdfrom=Cowabunga&redirect=noAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-91028946260416924822008-05-01T09:47:00.000+01:002008-05-01T09:47:00.000+01:00Joe. Well to be fair Atmzon does paddle monomaniac...Joe. Well to be fair Atmzon does paddle monomaniacally in the shallow end of the meme pool. He only ever has the one statement: all Jews are Zionists and the Nazis were/are right.<BR/><BR/>Rizzo's MO is equally as easy to summarise: Call everyone that outwits you a liar; call everyone who notes your racism a Zionist. Deflect; deny; project<BR/><BR/>You get more humour mileage out of her though, on account of her pompous preening and half-witted DIY encyclopedia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-75629330565892499942008-05-01T03:52:00.000+01:002008-05-01T03:52:00.000+01:00Though endorsing the author's Zionist views on ant...<I>Though endorsing the author's Zionist views on anti-Zionist Jews- surprise!</I><BR/>- mister macgrath, you have a wonderful facility for conciseness, I've noticed.<BR/>It would have taken me at least two clunky sentences, and a few days thought to even come up with that observation.<BR/><BR/>And as Tony Greenstein previously noted,<BR/>instead of typhoid Mary Rizzo standing up for Palestinians, she gets them to stand up for her - that's her idea of solidarity.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-12889572653850435722008-04-30T23:29:00.000+01:002008-04-30T23:29:00.000+01:00The term 'raghead' is a racist insult that papers ...The term 'raghead' is a racist insult that papers like the British Sun have used to describe Arabs and Palestinians. It is no surprise that Mary Rizzo, who talks about Jewish Power and Jewish interests should also adopt the language of the anti-Arab racists (as well as the anti-Semites).<BR/><BR/>I intend to do a response to Atzmon's tribute to Anthony Julius because this is yet another demonstration that despite his 'anti-Zionism' at heart he is both a Zionist (& an anti-Semite of course).<BR/><BR/>Tony G<BR/><BR/>I believe in treating Palestinians as human beings and if I find that there are fools and errand boys for anti-Semites, whether witting or unwitting, then I will say that. I will not flatter people, whether they are Jewish, Catholic, Palestinians or British. Mary sees her main role in life these days as to try and get individual Palestinians and Arabs to give her and the anti-Semitic supporters of the Palestinians backing. I don't. Just tell the truth. So when Mary says that I have told Adib S. Kawar that Britain liberated the Palestinians then that IS a lie. I have said no such thing. British imperialism facilitated Zionist settlement and when the Zionists were strong enough they forced the British out too.<BR/><BR/>To Adib I will simply say this. Your history studies have clearly not been very productive. But if were to study the history of Zionism and I can send you some stuff if it's not available, or you can read some of my articles on the Cork PSC database that one of Atzmon's friends tried to deface earlier in the year, you will see that historically there were no better friends of the Zionists than anti-Semites. The latter said get out and go to Palestine and the Zionists said yes, were happy to do that. Hence why, when Atzmon criticises the anti-Zionist Bund, which opposed emigration to Palestine and says the Zionists are right, as he has done again with the Anthony Julius article, then I say quite bluntly to you Adib, that you are doing the work of the Zionists. I will assume that up till now you have done it from ignorance, but if you still wish to associate with Atzmon and Rizzo then you are no different from Jewish quislings like Chaim Rumkowski, head of the Judenrat in Lodz. Except that you are of course would be a Palestinian quisling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-46139293558878544662008-04-30T23:21:00.000+01:002008-04-30T23:21:00.000+01:00Read 3 paragraphs of Atzmon's latest word-fart. Us...Read 3 paragraphs of Atzmon's latest word-fart. Usual dogrell, usual poor command of English semantics and lexis (doesn't seem to know the different 'cases' of the word politics- i.e. it doesn't HAVE to involve partisan ideology) and contains one embarrassing factual error. Which I won't report- fuck him, let him look the fool he is.<BR/><BR/>From all I could be bothered stumbling through: a hatchet job on the guy that snapped a holocaust denier like a twig. Though endorsing the author's Zionist views on anti-Zionist Jews- surprise!<BR/><BR/>I wonder what motive an Eisen fan could have for writing this up?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-1230426833528958142008-04-30T22:52:00.000+01:002008-04-30T22:52:00.000+01:00Mary Rizzo the Simon Wiesenthal of PSM.You got it ...<I>Mary Rizzo the Simon Wiesenthal of PSM.</I><BR/>You got it master mcgrath!<BR/><BR/>A <I>former</I> nazi don't forget - some pathetic criminal has-been, who is on the run and is no danger to anyone. An easy target for those who want to puff themselves up into some kind of great hero and standard bearer of civilsed values. Just like the UK, US and Israeli governments who use their supposed abhorance of nazism to prove their sterling unblemished credentials, don't forget.<BR/><BR/>Typhoid mary seems only to be objecting to the fact of nazis being on the run. She does sympathise with the plight of nazis however, when faced with people as unpopular as Hitler's victims were.<BR/><BR/>Maybe when typhoid mary is telling everybody what brilliant nazi-hunter she is, she can also tell people that these self-same nazis were left with no alternatives when faced with such obvious upopular victims as theirs.<BR/><BR/>In atzmon's latest gilado-centric dire attempt to equate Judaism and all Jewish People with zionism and the crimes of the Israeli goverment, <BR/><I>Deconstructing A Zionist: Anthony Julius</I><BR/>the atzmonic one seems rather pissed-off at Julius and his sterling courtroom performance against David Irving -<BR/><I>Anthony Julius is a prominent British lawyer and academic, best known for his actions on behalf of academic Nazi hunter Deborah Lipstadt. It was Julius who perpetrated the destruction of history revisionist David Irving’s career.</I><BR/><BR/>ps<BR/>howdy-doody goodwin sands!<BR/><BR/>It's good to meet your good self again!<BR/><BR/>And your right GS<BR/>typhoid mary never intervenes to question obvious neo-nazi propaganda posted on her antisemitic sewer of a blog 'pissonpalestine', in the same way she would with zionists -<BR/>- it's what's called gatekeepingjoe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-41370337272942761152008-04-30T22:40:00.000+01:002008-04-30T22:40:00.000+01:00I suppose the more relevant question to ask is 'ju...I suppose the more relevant question to ask is 'just how many ex-Nazis does Rizzo imagine came to England after the war rather than fleeing to Italy anyway'. Yes I imagine the UK would easily have been the destination of choice of war criminals legging it away from the ruined Reich.<BR/><BR/>Another question of course would be 'O mighty Zeus why is your thunderbolt so bright and Mary Rizzo so dim'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-70664465886450278642008-04-30T22:36:00.000+01:002008-04-30T22:36:00.000+01:00Yes its rather amazing isnt it.She says 'I am the ...Yes its rather amazing isnt it.<BR/><BR/>She says 'I am the only one who ever put my money where my mouth was and had a real Nazi criminal extradited' and yet nothing about how she has utterly undone that work by turning about and defending Holocaust deniers like Eisen, a man who would lie away those very same Nazi crimes.<BR/><BR/>Go to Marys blog and you cant read three threads in a row without comments from Holocaust deniers, lies she is more than willing to have on her site and always finds some excuse to prevent from deleting even after she knows theyre there. It absolutely undoes any claim she tries to make on having the moral high ground on Nazis when their anti-Semitic progeny are so plainly welcome under her wing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-2796595557716856062008-04-30T22:13:00.000+01:002008-04-30T22:13:00.000+01:00Wow! The Ego has landed. Mary Rizzo the Simon Wies...Wow! The Ego has landed. Mary Rizzo the Simon Wiesenthal of PSM.<BR/><BR/>And why do we hate her? Jealousy of course.<BR/><BR/>Yes...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-81081711911281199142008-04-30T21:57:00.000+01:002008-04-30T21:57:00.000+01:00And bla bla bla toot toot toot goes the Merry Rizz...And bla bla bla toot toot toot goes the Merry Rizzo yet still not the slightest acknowledgement from you here there or anywhere that Atzmon lost the Indymedia UK fight.<BR/><BR/>Indymedia decided to put Atzmons posts in a little red box with a warning label - as is well deserved - and Atzmon couldnt take the slight.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-13054198605699162052008-04-30T21:50:00.000+01:002008-04-30T21:50:00.000+01:00Didnt' delete it, GS. I didn't even post it. I don...Didnt' delete it, GS. I didn't even post it. I don't accept comments from fake email addresses, so the problem is yours. <BR/><BR/>But naturally, someone commenting on my blog that the Nakba didn't happen or that Arabs are terrorists, which are other comments that are up there, don't seem to bother any of you in the slightest. In fact, it's not about Palestinians for any of you at all. But this is no secret. <BR/><BR/>And what is the most interesting point is, you all claim to be such anti-fascists and big Nazi fighters when I know that I am the only one who ever put my money where my mouth was and had a real Nazi criminal extradited. None of your idiotic going on and on about how upright you are, but you have not had anything whatsoever to do with any kind of justice for real victims. You are more interested in silencing those who are talking about today's victims, because it reflects badly on any actual efforts you (don't) make. <BR/><BR/>It is all of you who have turned it into a fest of smears and personal mudslinging, and this is something that most people are quite aware of and no longer tolerate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-3728515369284201722008-04-30T21:34:00.000+01:002008-04-30T21:34:00.000+01:00For the hell of it went to Rizzos new blog and not...For the hell of it went to Rizzos new blog and noted that Wordpress had automatically linked it to that blog about Atzmon getting no-platformed by Indymedia UK. When I pointed that out to Rizzo she naturally deleted my post.<BR/><BR/>So months and months afterward Mary still hasnt had the spine to mention on her blog that after all their sabre rattling and podium thwacking they lost their great Indymedia battle.<BR/><BR/>Maybe Indymedia UK has gone Zionist Mary?<BR/><BR/>This is life at Marys blog. Post that there were no Nazi gas chambers, shell leave it up. Post that Atzmon is no longer on Indymedia because Indymedia refused to simply post his stuff and she'll knock it off the site immediately. Mustnt educate the Rizzo readers, because what do you get when you educate a Rizzo reader? An exRizzo reader.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50168413424170253102008-04-30T20:18:00.000+01:002008-04-30T20:18:00.000+01:00this is the insane asylum where you make up all ki...this is the insane asylum where you make up all kinds of insults without any backing. We've got to do a case study, so keep dishing it out. <BR/><BR/>Oh, Joe, who wrote what is clearly posted. If you have trouble reading it, this is not a problem of mine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-2433664550802098432008-04-30T20:08:00.000+01:002008-04-30T20:08:00.000+01:00Oh, and in case anyone missed it:Progressive think...Oh, and in case anyone missed it:<BR/><BR/>Progressive thinking people judge people's ineptitude by their fundamental errors, not by their ethnicity, or colour of skin.<BR/><BR/>Rizzo seems to think we should consider everyone that isn't white a genius... are they also "colourful", with "a marvelous sense of humour" and "naturally musical"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-9998308545993797182008-04-30T19:36:00.000+01:002008-04-30T19:36:00.000+01:00Joe, you're Scottish. I assume you have an encyclo...Joe, you're Scottish. I assume you have an encyclopedic knowledge of the croft burnings in 19th Century Sutherland... as does the your bank manager and the guy that empties your bins. Bet you all speak fluent Gaelic too and can do a mean sword dance?<BR/><BR/>How much more (racially) patronising can it get!<BR/><BR/>But, lord help us, Rizzo has just managed to genetically splice Hitler and Jung into one hideous race/intellect monster.<BR/><BR/>Just about the stupidest argument she has posed yet.<BR/><BR/>Does it need anymore dismissing than that?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18296452575173124232008-04-30T17:57:00.000+01:002008-04-30T17:57:00.000+01:00I still can't make out where mary's comments begin...I still can't make out where mary's comments begin and end - there's nothing to signify if, and where, this Adib's supposed personel communication to typhoid mary ends.<BR/><BR/>Anyway,<BR/><I>I am not going to bother with your idiocy, as many of my friends told me, and I agree, that communicating anything with you two is like trying to get a stone to think...</I><BR/>- Mary continues to undermine herself by not doing what she says she is doing, by leaving,<BR/><BR/>I must have missed it, but where are these brilliant arguments that you have received as personal communications mary, regarding the history and development of Palestinian nationalism, of which you know nothing about?<BR/><BR/>In my own humble opinion, popularity and celebrity (ie quantity) is never a substitute for quality -<BR/>- Just look at the quantity produced by western corporate news media versus the quality of its journalism.<BR/>- Or atmon's psuedo-intellectual wafflings which can be summarised accurately and concisiely as 'all Jews are zionists'.<BR/>- Or typhoid mary's wafflings about Palestinian nationalism, which are rehashed nineteenth century romanticist warblings with overtones of zionist/nazi 'blood and soil' racist junk.<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>..eliminating the issue of the Jewish lobby by calling anyone who mentions it anti-Semite.</I><BR/>As I said before,<BR/>don't trust typhoid mary to represent other people's points of view properly.<BR/>If she is claiming this about myself then she is obviously lying.<BR/>Claiming, as rizzo and atzmon do, that nazi extermination/death camps existed because the victims of the nazis were unpopular, is antisemitic and has nothing to do with Palestinian solidarity.<BR/>Typhoid mary is claiming only those who don't want the 'Jewish lobby discussed' would ever find such comments nasty, foul and racist.<BR/>If disseminating neo-nazi propaganda using the Palestinian solidarity movement as vehicle is valid then mary can oblige me by answering a straightforward question<BR/>- <I>how does disseminating Nazi propaganda about the unpopularity of Jews 65 years ago help Palestinians today, instead of harming them?</I><BR/><BR/>As usual though, typhoid mary confuses Judaism with zionism by positing the existence of some nebulous body she calls the 'Jewish lobby', rather than the more substantial and positively existing 'zionist lobby'.<BR/>This is rizzo and atzmon's one and only reason for existence - to confuse, conflate, elide 'zionism' and 'Judaism'.<BR/><BR/><BR/>As I said,<BR/>typhoid mary is anathema, and a carrier of a racist antisemtic plague virus, in movement devoted to solidarity.<BR/><BR/>Rather than argue her own case, on its own merits, she uses Palestinians as human shields and sandbags to hide behind.<BR/><BR/>Any personal material typhoid mary posts I'll treat merely as her own, personally sorted, reflecting her own views - why she needs to hide behind Palestinians, rather than standing up for them, is because typhoid mary has an agenda which doesn't belong in a solidarity campaign.<BR/>Editing the personal views of individual Palestinians to suit one's own agenda is, of course, gatekeeping - a charge fabulist antisemites like mary are only too eager to accuse others of, as part of her solidarity activities (don't laugh!).<BR/><BR/>Notice there is no discussion whatsoever about these top-flight (US) Palestinian academics I have mentioned above, whom I discovered while searching for material on Rashid Khalidi.<BR/>Here is the A-Z list of authors<BR/>'Palestine-Israel Journal of Politics, Economics and Culture'-<A HREF="http://www.pij.org/authors.php" REL="nofollow"><BR/>Authors</A><BR/>There are many authors blogs typhoid mary - and I know you are the darling of the electronic world of communication, so please go along and tell them all where they are all going wrong.<BR/>Maybe even these Palestinian human shields you continually dig up from somehwhere, might want to go and tell these academics they've got it all wrong too.<BR/><BR/>Typhoid mary could maybe keep us all posted, and in stitches, about her progress with these world class Palestinian academics.<BR/><BR/>ps<BR/>I'll make a prediction that typhoid mary won't go near bona fide world-class Palestinian scholars because -<BR/>- they aren't antisemitic<BR/>- and because they've taken the time to study the facts of the case, such is their care and concern for Palestinians themselves.<BR/> <BR/>Unlike rizzo-atzmon who only care about hating Jews and about their own egos.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-91910866306779834632008-04-30T14:40:00.000+01:002008-04-30T14:40:00.000+01:00A chauffeur? Joe, what the hell is your problem? I...A chauffeur? Joe, what the hell is your problem? <BR/><BR/>I am not going to bother with your idiocy, as many of my friends told me, and I agree, that communicating anything with you two is like trying to get a stone to think, but Adib sent me this email, and I am posting it here. <BR/><BR/>Mary<BR/><BR/>Tell this stupid Tony rag head that Adib is double my age and he started writing about Arab nationalism and Zionism before I was born; so I don't have to use and teach him any thing. Most import a political entity doesn't make a nationality.<BR/><BR/>The Arabs ruled Spain for 6 centuries and the Spaniards remained Spanish, and Arabs were colonized by the Turks for 5 centuries and in spite adamant Turkish efforts to "Turkishize" them they remained Arabs and at the end revolted against them, and don't tell Adib British colonialism liberated them, on the contrary they brought them the Zionist plague amongst who the Tony rag head.<BR/><BR/>As for me I have much important things to occupy my self with then to argue with a fool foul mouth.<BR/><BR/>If you want to forward this to him it is up to you, but not me.<BR/><BR/>Salamat to you and shit to the shit.<BR/><BR/>Adib<BR/><BR/>My own note: you guys have an immense reputation with other activists, and with Palestinian people you put down continuously. I would reflect upon this. It seems you use them as your megaphone for some kind of libelous claim, which you are somehow reticent to have the claimant mention herself. Well, I wonder why, and so should you. But any other person who reads you and comes to the conclusion that you are idiots, rude and Zionists gets mud in the face from you. You did it with Mohammed in Redress and with many of the other names that signed the petition that so exposes how much you are hated. I didn't have to make anything up, it's all quite evident that you have zero support. So, keep hanging out with the Jon Pikes of the world, the Shraga Elams, who you don't seem to mind too much, even if they are against your big personal campaign of boycotting, because they are really only interested in what the two of you are interested in, eliminating the issue of the Jewish lobby by calling anyone who mentions it anti-Semite. You are the key advocates of the very idea Julius seems to express, Tony, (misreading Gilad's paper doesn't surprise me, he hardly is a fan, but proves that YOU are!) is that the "new Anti-Semitism" is the obsession of the left that does not know how to deal with losing the dominance in the political discourse because Palestinians and Arab nationalists are raising their heads up again after too long of a time being laughed at or put down. <BR/><BR/>You can indeed laugh at or scoff at Arab nationalism. Don't give me your silly history lessons, because it is obvious you have no idea of what it is or what it entails. <BR/><BR/>One last thing. You seem to leave the word "only" out. I claim that Israel is not "only" colonialism, but much more.<BR/><BR/>But, as I said before, when you are not busy lying, you are busy distorting. Try to be ethical and intellectual for once in your life. I know it might be above you, but just try..<BR/><BR/>All else fails, you can namedrop and then you can call those who you assume are less intelligent than you chauffeurs. Very charming and very Socialist of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-50265703426942559182008-04-30T02:44:00.000+01:002008-04-30T02:44:00.000+01:00It's a waste of time Joe. Mary has no intention o...It's a waste of time Joe. Mary has no intention of reading the writings of Palestinian academics or writers who know something of their own history and are able to debate these issues. People like Joseph Massad or Ali Abunimah.<BR/><BR/>Instead Mary wants pliant idiots who 'have studied history all their life' but nonetheless claim that Zionism was a British invention!! She wants fools who will praise her and Atzmon's 'outstanding personalities' and who will engage in flattery rather than argument.<BR/><BR/>It's no wonder that most of these Palestinians aren't even sure if they signed her embarrassing (to everyone but her!) petition.<BR/><BR/>But to Palestinians who have studied things there is very little argument about the fact that the Palestinian nation came into existence, like most nations, relatively recently.<BR/><BR/>TGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18064628197187255892008-04-30T00:39:00.000+01:002008-04-30T00:39:00.000+01:00I haven't come across it before but this does loo...I haven't come across it before but this does look a great website -<BR/>'Palestine-Israel Journal of Economics, Politics and Culture'<BR/><BR/>Here is the address of the issue I have refered to in my comment above this one - <BR/><A HREF="http://www.pij.org/current.php?id=16" REL="nofollow">National Identity</A><BR/>Vol. 8 No 4, 2001 and Vol. 9 No 1, 2002 <BR/><BR/>all the best AZaAS!joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-65498975610731537272008-04-30T00:33:00.000+01:002008-04-30T00:33:00.000+01:00In contrast to some comment made by some chauffeur...In contrast to some comment made by some chauffeur, or some bloke typhoid mary bumped into in a pub,<BR/>here are two Palestinian academics with articles related to Palestinian nationalism -<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=791" REL="nofollow">Reflections on Writing the History of Palestinian Identity</A><BR/>by Issam Nassar<BR/>Palestine-Israel Journal<BR/>Vol. 8 No 4, 2001 and Vol. 9 No 1, 2002<BR/><BR/>Dr. Issam Nassar is Associate Director of the Institute of Jerusalem Studies, Associate Editor of Jerusalem Quarterly File, and Associate Professor of History of Al-Quds University. He is author of Photographing Jerusalem.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.pij.org/details.php?id=793" REL="nofollow">Historical Dynamics Shaping Palestinian National Identity</A><BR/>by Manuel Hassassian<BR/>Palestine-Israel Journal<BR/>Vol. 8 No 4, 2001 and Vol. 9 No 1, 2002<BR/><BR/>Manuel Hassassian, Member of the PIJ Board of Sponsors and former Executive Vice-president of Bethlehem University, is a senior research associate teaching at the University of Maryland's Center for International Development and Conflict Management. Currently, Hassassian serves as the Palestinian ambassador to the United Kingdom.<BR/><BR/>The website has blog facilities so perhaps typhoid mary can go and explain to these Palestinian academics that she knows a chauffuer or some bloke in a pub she met, that told her they are wrong, and she is always right.joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.com