tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post4515117624929012861..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Bob Dylan’s Nightmare – Israel June 20thTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-35485467654456987122012-06-13T18:16:45.829+01:002012-06-13T18:16:45.829+01:00dylan never was a radical. he was a plagiarist mak...dylan never was a radical. he was a plagiarist making out.ja1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-80742660478380933902011-07-06T00:49:55.268+01:002011-07-06T00:49:55.268+01:00Our anonymous Zionist (because they're all to ...Our anonymous Zionist (because they're all to ashamed to put a name to their drivel) doesn't like any comparison with Nazi Germany. But wasn't it Nazi Germany that forbade Jews renting or buying 'Aryan' land? Doesn't Israel do likewise with 'Jewish' land? The mechanisms are different ('community standards' is the pretext for getting around the Kaadan ruling) but the outcome is the same.<br /><br />And sure enough Anon brings up the Mufti of Jerusalem. Now the Mufti was a disastrous leader of the Palestinians, a feudal reactionary. But who appointed him Grand Mufti? Why, none other than that Zionist advocate within the Coalition Government than Sir Herbert Samuel, first High Commissioner of Palestine. Despite Haj al Amin Husseini coming 4th in the elections, Samuel appointed him.<br /><br />In fact, despite their verbal attacks on the Mufti, the Zionist leaders of the time preferred to deal with him, just as they criticise Hamas having created the organisation (under Netanyahu no less!). So no hypocrisy here and no, the Mufti wasn't involved in or indeed an advocate of extermination). He wanted Hitler's support against the British. Why? Because to the Mufti the enemy was Britain not Germany.<br /><br />Now who else held this position? Why it was none other than Lehi/Stern Gang, a split from the Irgun (IZL), who in 1941 proposed a military pact with Nazi Germany! And who was one of the 3 leaders of the Stern Gang? Why none other than Yitzhak Shamir, twice Prime Minister of Israel no less!! You couldn't make it up it's so bad so the Zionists prefer to concentrate on the Mufti rather than Shamir.<br /><br />But in fact the SS Divisions that the Mufti formed (a tiny proportion of the number of Palestinians who fought the Nazis in the Allied armies) were not involved in the deportation of Jews. In fact Albania, where 2 of the Divisions were based, didn't deport one single Jew, the only country occupied by the Nazis to not deport its Jews. And why? Because of the hostility of the Muslim inhabitants and the fatwas issued by the Muslim clerical leaders.<br /><br />We can't say that for the leaders of the Christian churches can we? Why Pius XII refused to condemn the deportations of the Jews, even from his own bishopric of Rome in October 1943.<br /><br />As for outrage against 'As for outrage against Jewish victims of terror in Israel?' I save my outrage for the thousands of Palestinian victims of Israeli terrorism. I'm not interested in whether a few of the settlers die as well. I support the oppressed not the oppressor. Israelis have a choice to move or to embrace the Palestinians. But to anonymous a handful of Israeli victims of resistance are more important than the 7,000+ dead victims of Israeli terror in Gaza.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-38157304623413042722011-07-06T00:02:46.764+01:002011-07-06T00:02:46.764+01:00You have a gall to bring up Nazi Germany. Wasn'...You have a gall to bring up Nazi Germany. Wasn't it the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem that wanted to give the Nazis support for their extermination in 1941? Who did the Mufti represent, again?<br /><br />Yet people like you continually make filthy comparisons between Zionism and Nazism. Where has been your outrage against Jewish victims of terror in Israel? Why are they not worthy?<br /><br />You decalre on your blog "Against All Racism". Surely it's not you that you're talking about. Your vitriol against Israel crosses political bordersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-3893106699132292602011-06-06T00:24:38.111+01:002011-06-06T00:24:38.111+01:00Nope you are wrong. It's not a question of &#...Nope you are wrong. It's not a question of 'good' and 'bad' nations. There is no such thing. There are different types of state and those based on a master race concept and engage in seeking racial purity are the worst. <br /><br />Presumably you would have disagreed with the boycott of Nazi GermanyTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-22421924728473318382011-06-05T12:25:24.906+01:002011-06-05T12:25:24.906+01:00It's a left that divides the world into a good...It's a left that divides the world into a good ant-imperialist camp and a bad anti-imperialist camp - or good nations and bad nations -and from there then calls for boycotts of a whole country that has lost its way.UNITYhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08065818054377718617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-59194817690176944572011-05-30T22:52:22.152+01:002011-05-30T22:52:22.152+01:00But I never said anything bad about Bob either! ...But I never said anything bad about Bob either! I've always considered Paul Simon to have more integrity but clearly the years have taken their toll. His last album mind you was middle class mush so his talent is waning too.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-73969657149613559922011-05-30T22:18:46.815+01:002011-05-30T22:18:46.815+01:00You never said anything bad about Paul Simon yet.
...You never said anything bad about Paul Simon yet.<br /><br />What Happened ???<br />Out of words.<br />Can't be, you will find something to tell about him that smell's J.... as everyone else who likes Israel.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-6800920079471937802011-05-30T14:44:22.059+01:002011-05-30T14:44:22.059+01:00The only thing Bob Geldof promoted, along with his...The only thing Bob Geldof promoted, along with his Boomtown Rats, was himself. It is doubtful if any of his 'charitable' activities had any effect whatsoever on the famine in Ethiopia. <br /><br />Contrast that with John Pilger who first exposed the genocide in Cambodia with Year Zero and then the active complicity of the West in the genocide in East Timor.<br /><br />All Geldof has done is give those who laid waste to African companies with their policies of impoverishment a good feeling.<br /><br />Israel's efforts are nothing but PR. The deportation of African refugees, because this is, according to Netanyahu our 'Zionist duty' as they would dilute the Jewish majority in Israel, is the real story.<br /><br />Yes Israel has contributed much to UNESCO, like bombing the schools of Gaza with white phosphorous. Presumably children burning alive are more receptive to education?<br /><br />Or maybe Israel's supply of weaponry to Guatemala under Rios Montt, when over one hundred thousand Indians were massacred is another example?<br /><br />UN agencies are merely the arm of the governments who make up the UN - for the most part brutal and corrupt.<br /><br />If Israel is so concerned about charitable works it can begin providing decent jobs and houses for its own Arab citizens rather than confining them to the poverty of 'unrecognised' villages.<br /><br />Yes Geldoff chose the name of his band well. He is indeed a rat. And someone without any musical talent unlike Dylan and Paul Simon, the latter of whom better things are expected.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-91190193074008711432011-05-30T12:55:07.078+01:002011-05-30T12:55:07.078+01:00Irish rocker, peace activist and human rights figh...Irish rocker, peace activist and human rights fighter Bob Geldof said that Israel's efforts in Africa must be recognized.<br /><br />"There’s something noble about the fact that Israel, a country born in misery and suffering, aspires to assist Africa," said Geldof, who is also widely known for his own efforts to combat poverty in Africa.<br /><br />Over the decades, Israel has been involved in countless projects in most African countries. Teams of doctors and medical experts from the Israeli army and Israel's major hospitals make regular excurions to Africa to help treat illnesses that most African nations are simply unequipped to handle.<br /><br />Israel was also highly praised on Sunday by the head of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).<br /><br />Speaking in Jerusalem, UNESCO Director-General Irina Bokova said her organization has "excellent cooperation" with Israel, and especially thanked the Jewish state for its role in promoting education for women.<br /><br />Who do u hate more then.<br />Dylan, Simon Geldof.... and many others, just because they like Israel.<br /><br />What a shame, how they spoil your party.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-3219196359986001792011-05-29T00:49:01.653+01:002011-05-29T00:49:01.653+01:00I agree. There is nothing of substance. Much lik...I agree. There is nothing of substance. Much like Paul Simon, whose last work of any substance Graceland could only draw on the struggle of Black South Africans in the anti-apartheid struggle.<br /><br />Simon is also playing in Israel soonTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-42872387493109915162011-05-28T22:42:51.089+01:002011-05-28T22:42:51.089+01:00Nauseating but not surprising. Fame seems to make...Nauseating but not surprising. Fame seems to make people allergic to reading. The only worthwhile thing he's done since Street Legal is his radio shows (the theme hour thing), which were passably entertaining. His late period/swan song/whatever is just successful brand marketing - doesn't need any substance behind it, because there's no substance behind any of it these days.jock mctrousersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-1930443729122036262011-05-28T04:04:36.409+01:002011-05-28T04:04:36.409+01:00So far, let's enjoy the fact that this person ...So far, let's enjoy the fact that this person is the one who is hired to break BSD, and said "yes".<br /><br />eGuestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-26189859520643306052011-05-27T16:22:18.476+01:002011-05-27T16:22:18.476+01:00The eyes of the rebel have been branded by the bli...<i><br />The eyes of the rebel have been branded by the blind<br />To the safety of sterility, the threat has been refined<br />The child who was created to the slaughterhouse he's led<br />So good to be alive when the eulogy is read<br />The climax of emotion, the worship of the dead<br />And the cycle of sacrifice unwinds.<br /></i><br />-Phil Ochs<br /><br />Of course, in Dylan's case, he has been his own executioner.Joel Finkelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-33969604846486047462011-05-27T13:21:33.747+01:002011-05-27T13:21:33.747+01:00the final stanza was one Joan Baez vehemently disa...the final stanza was one Joan Baez vehemently disagreed with Bob on (though I like it!). Pity he'd be following his own casket these days.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-91091595991211822522011-05-27T06:15:43.200+01:002011-05-27T06:15:43.200+01:00Regarding Bob Dylan, I think we all know that he l...Regarding Bob Dylan, I think we all know that he long ago left behind his radicalism. He's very different to Joan Baez who is still creating radical songs and responding to issues of the day someway or another. The main thing is, I saw Bob Dylan play about ten years in Germany and what a soulless dispiriting experience that was. He came on, did not greet us or introduce any song, played for an hour, and left. I hardly think his fans in Israel have much to look forward to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-71424537276353967642011-05-27T03:05:54.424+01:002011-05-27T03:05:54.424+01:00To quote Bob:
How much do I know
To talk out of t...To quote Bob:<br /><br />How much do I know<br />To talk out of turn<br />You might say that I'm young<br />You might say I'm unlearned<br />But there's one thing I know<br />Though I'm younger than you<br />That even Jesus would never<br />Forgive what you do.<br /><br />Let me ask you one question<br />Is your money that good<br />Will it buy you forgiveness<br />Do you think that it could<br />I think you will find<br />When your death takes its toll<br />All the money you made<br />Will never buy back your soul.<br /><br />And I hope that you die<br />And your death'll come soon<br />I will follow your casket<br />In the pale afternoon<br />And I'll watch while you're lowered<br />Down to your deathbed<br />And I'll stand over your grave<br />'Til I'm sure that you're dead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com