tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post2193625760953651087..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Brilliant Hard Talk Interview with Kenneth O'Keefe of the Gaza Freedom FlotillaTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-90766674030736512612010-09-09T15:56:18.540+01:002010-09-09T15:56:18.540+01:00It is as if the media just don't get it. Attac...It is as if the media just don't get it. Attacking a humanitarian aid convoy in International waters in a nightly commando raid simply cannot be considered selfdefense. I have seen the video's released by the Israeli press office so many times now, BUT WHERE ARE THE VIDEO SEQUENCES OF HOW THE 9 PEOPLE WERE KILLED?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-69231065961703759532010-06-29T02:10:40.716+01:002010-06-29T02:10:40.716+01:00Or the defence of David Bukay by the University of...Or the defence of David Bukay by the University of Haifa, which is adept at punishing Arab students and dreaming up disciplinary infringements. When Bukay was criticised for naked racism by the leader of the arab students at Haifa it was the student who was charged. Bukay is author of a number of racist tracts such as the Arab Personality. <br /><br />When Israel says it wants to Judaify a particular area or demolishes Arab homes in Jerusalem or the Negev to make way for Jewish settlement then it does so on the basis that the Arab natives are not equal to those who are supplanting them.<br /><br />Since Arabs don't have equal rights in Israel, hence why there is no constitution which would have had to enact the Declaration of Independence. Instead Israel is a Jewish state. At a time when Arabs are the subject of repeated bills and acts in the Knesset targeting them for loyalty oaths, outlawing commemoration of the Nakba, viciously attacking and stripping of her parliamentary privileges Haneen Zoabi, where mobs call for 'death to the Arabs' and march through Jerusalem doing the same whilst being escorted by the same police who regularly tear gas palestinian demonstrations including western observers and particpants then this recycled piece of hasbara is just that. Repetition of a canard.<br /><br />The plight of gays, which Israel uses to bolster its own credentials, would be a damn sight better in the Middle East if imperialism hadn't bolstered and reinforced Political islam, to which many Arabs have turned out of frustration and the failures of the leftist parties. And of course Israel did its best in the 1980's to support and indeed create Hamas as a counterweight to their secular Palestinian opponents.<br /><br />I am asked about gays who have been hanged in Iran or women who have been stoned. It goes without question that I condemn it but who is responsible for the existence of the bloody Iranian regime but western imperialism which overthrew Mossadegh in 1953 and replaced him with the Shah of Iran? Just as the Taliban were effectively put there by the USA so the regime of mullahs owes its origins to western duplicity. Without imperialism in the Middle East, Islam would have done the same as Christianity and adapted to captalism with its own Reformation.<br /><br />I think I've made my position on the Iranian regime very clear in: http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/11/ehsan-fattahian-kurdish-militant.html<br />http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/06/iran-revolution-in-waiting.html<br />http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/05/ahmedinajad-and-idiot-anti-zionism.htmlTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-19428317786332541282010-06-29T02:10:32.256+01:002010-06-29T02:10:32.256+01:00I am asked why do I constantly compare people I di...I am asked why do I constantly compare people I disagree with to Nazis. I don't. But if people use Nazi-style arguments then of course I do use such arguments.<br /><br />Why do Zionists say things like 'I'm sad to think that you hate your origins and moreover Jews.' Is it necessary to accuse critics of Israel and Zionism of anti-Semitism when historically the main supporters of Zionism were Nazis and anti-Semites?<br /><br />What have my 'origins' got to do with the argument? Isn't this obsession with how Jewish one is a little bit, well err Nazi? Weren't they concerned with one's percentage of Jewishness as it were?<br /><br />To return to more mundane arguments the photo in Hurriyet shows someone with a kitchen knife and a soldier on the floor. He has blood on him it would appear but there is no suggestion as to how he was injured. It is clear that he wasn't being attacked and the original lies of Israel's propagandists that soldiers had been shot has been quietly dropped, as have the accusations that anyone was stabbed with a knife, though to be quite honest when pirates board your boat with guns and fire live ammunition then there is no legal reason why a knife cannot be used in self-defence. Certainly in English law if you tackled a burglar with a knife and injured or killed him and he had a gun you would not be prosecuted, let alone convicted.<br /><br />I don't accept that Palestinians want their own state if that means leaving the status quo in Israel unchanged. In any case such a 'state' could only be a hideous caricature of a state. Partition builds it doesn't eradicate sectarianism and confessionalism.<br /><br />Anon. says he 'isn't happy' with the settlements. Well that is one way of putting it. Like I'm not happy with the Inquisition or Torquemada! And the theft of land, destruction of Palestinian agriculture, stealing of water, pogroms against Palestinians. Not happy? well quite.<br /><br />Yes there's plenty of land but that is not the point. The question is why have a separate Jewish state replete with its demographic fears. That is about racial purity not simply land.<br /><br />Actually Israelis do say they are better than Arabs. Opinion polls constantly show that a majority of Israels want Israeli Arabs to move out, for the Palestinians to be transferred as well as things like not wanting to live next door to an Arab or have one in one's house (something like 80%). Or the recent poll that showed a majority of Israeli high school students oppose arabs voting or being elected. What else is that if not an example of racial supremacy.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-69286676709853708912010-06-28T09:43:26.929+01:002010-06-28T09:43:26.929+01:00“Our anonymous Zionist believes a knife and blood ...“Our anonymous Zionist believes a knife and blood on the soldiers is obvious. Actually I haven't seen this photo, where is it? “<br /><br />Why do you constantly compare people who disagree with you with nazis? I support Palestinians in their wish for their state, and am not happy with the settlements but don't understand Palestinians and your wish to destroy Israel when there is plenty of land there for everyone.<br /><br />As you haven't seen the Hurriyet photos yet, i'm including a link. Picture number 4 shows a man with a knife in his hand and a soldier lying with blood on him. <br /><br />http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/g.php?p=4&g=55<br /><br />The israelis don't say they are better than anyone else, nor do they claim to part of any master race. Any such ideas are the figment of anti-semites' imaginations over the millenia. Do you really wish to be identified with such people Mr Greenstein?<br /><br />Maybe you will one day wake up to the only state in the middle east where arab citizens, gays and women and other religions have full rights in law. <br />In case you're interested a woman is about to be stoned to death in Iran for having been raped. Why don't you have some balance rather than attack the only democratic state in the region. Do you have anything to say about that poor woman or gays often hanged in Iran even though according to Ahmadinejad they don't exist?<br /><br />Of course Israel has flaws, but maybe you yourself, like myself and everyone else, have flaws in your own personality. Are you as hard on yourself as you are on Israel? Why do you only select Israel for demonisation? Ask yourself this please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-27741729832491689472010-06-28T00:52:44.830+01:002010-06-28T00:52:44.830+01:00Our anonymous Zionist believes a knife and blood o...Our anonymous Zionist believes a knife and blood on the soldiers is obvious. Actually I haven't seen this photo, where is it? Not that one would be able to distinguish between the blood of an Israeli and those they murdered, unless our anonymous Zionist is one of those who believes Jewish blood is a different substance from the non-Jewish variety.<br /><br />The Israeli military liars have posted demonstrably false video evidence, have shown shots of arms on board that are traceable to 2009and another ship and have simply dubbed voices such as the 'Auschwitz' one. Crude lies in short.<br /><br />But our anonymous Zionist idiot says he is sad (good!) that I hate my origins. But the origins of Jews in the West lies in the fight against racism and anti-Semitism not in the pathetic display of macho pride in Israeli and Zionist racism. <br /><br />According to the Zionist fool it is some form of treachery 'self hatred' to oppose racism when perpetrated by Jews but to magnify it when done against Jews. And he calls this loyalty to being Jewish !!<br /><br />Maybe I am disloyal if loyalty to the Jewish Masterrace idea, the Jewish herrenvolk, is not my idea of loyalty to what made Jews different. Their challenge to the existing order, their pariah status, (B Lazarre!) the Heines and Spinozas, Freuds and Einsteins, these were the real Jews who lasted. Not the messianic madmen in charge of Israel whose military hubris fills inadequates like the anonymous Zionist with some sort of false pride.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-81790892281829621362010-06-26T17:56:50.442+01:002010-06-26T17:56:50.442+01:00Excellent post. Its amazing how an entire nation i...Excellent post. Its amazing how an entire nation is willing to delude itself by regurgitating its own lies over and over again. <br /><br />It seems that the greed for land can cause cause individuals and entire nations to do ridiculous and immoral things. <br /><br />if only the lobby had not existed....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-61149559491800091912010-06-26T14:31:29.759+01:002010-06-26T14:31:29.759+01:00"false allegations, such as that their soldie..."false allegations, such as that their soldiers were shot or knifed or both."<br />I'm sad to think that you hate your origins and moreover jews and Israelis so much that you even deny that which is obvious from the pictures published in Hurriyet. A knife and blood on the soldiers is obvious.<br />You are a pitiful person and your hatred will continue to eat at you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com