tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post7318384539048907014..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: A Welcome Statement From Palestine Solidarity CampaignTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-23714879872876383142011-09-19T03:06:54.693+01:002011-09-19T03:06:54.693+01:00I have posted a response to Anthony on his blog bu...I have posted a response to Anthony on his blog but I don't know whether it will appear so I have posted it as a postscript to the article.<br /><br />One thing I did forget to say is that a charge of anti-Semitism has been made against Maha, a member of PSC Executive.<br />http://exposingantisemitism.blogspot.com/2011/09/brent-psc-founder-and-fake-jews.html<br /><br />Having looked at the 'evidence' which effectively consists of Maha Rahwanji being anti-Semitic because she denies that most western jews are semitic - a statement of the bleedin' obvious - it is clear that Anthony is, like most Zionists, unable to distinguish between anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-34584136206522320802011-09-19T01:27:57.354+01:002011-09-19T01:27:57.354+01:00Yes I know what happened in Exeter. An Atzmon sup...Yes I know what happened in Exeter. An Atzmon supporter called Roy Ratcliffe was in the thick of it I believe.<br /><br />I agree with you Manfred but we should always welcome the repentance of the sinner on the road to Damascus, even if it does take a long time!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-11674688222307098202011-09-18T21:06:56.037+01:002011-09-18T21:06:56.037+01:00I should add that David Hillman is right and that ...I should add that David Hillman is right and that what is normally alleged is the 'new anti-Semitism' which is criticism of Israel not Jews. By mixing in anti-Zionism and anti-Semitism Zionists seek to confuse people as to what anti-Semitism was really about.<br /><br />Some of the allegations on Anthony's website are ludicrous e.g. the whole York incident.<br /><br />But we clean our own Augean stables and this site has no difficulty in exposing those who play with anti-Semites as my articles on the Freiburg conference demonstrates.<br /><br />Let's see Anthony and co. condemn Israel's vicious racism and ethnic cleansing. Because if anti-racism is a principle it must be applied to all or none.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-92232258840062833222011-09-18T21:03:42.782+01:002011-09-18T21:03:42.782+01:00I'm not overly impressed by the information th...I'm not overly impressed by the information that has been gleaned since it starts off with the now defunct Palestine Thinktank, run by Mary Rizzo and Atzmon and Palestinian collaborator Haitham Sabbah. Sabbah is a quisling who called on Palestinians to apologise to Mubarak for having embarrassed him by demanding entry to Viva Palestina. <br />But Jock you ask the wrong question with respect. If there is a problem in our movement we should not shy away from it. It will not go away. If there are sympathisers of Atzmon then we should try to win them over. If there is latent anti-Semitism we should deal with it. Why? Because if someone really does think the Jews are the problem then they are missing the target, the US and Western imperialism. Anti-Semitism doesn’t hurt Jews in this society, it hurts the struggle of the Palestinians because it plays into the hands of the Zionists.<br /><br />In fact the problem stems from the fact that people are accused so often of ‘anti-Semitism’ when it is opposition to Israel that is their crime, that some people say ‘yes, if the price to be paid for supporting the Palestinians is being anti-Semitic then we will pay that price.’ They are wrong to accept the Zionist terms of debate because opposition to racism is indivisible and Zionists aren’t interested in opposing racism but tarring and smearing their opponents. As someone with considerable experience of fascists in this country, I can honestly say that at no time was any Zionist body or even individual ever interested in taking on the NF. They just mouth opposition when Palestine is on the agenda.<br /><br />But if people in PSC did adopt an anti-Semitic outlook then they would have sold the pass which is why the Executive statement is important. There are some people in the Palestine Solidarity Movement, Alexander Seymour and Gill Kaffash for example who aren’t particularly concerned about anti-Semitism in the movement. But the responsibility for that lies with Anthony and his supporters.<br /><br />We even had the spectacle of a staff member at Ahava, the Israeli shop that sells stolen Palestinian property in Covent Garden, accusing a demonstrator of being a ‘Christ-killer’ because he is Jewish. One of the most disgusting of anti-Semitic tropes. She was defended by Jonathan Hoffman of the Zionist Federation and Richard Millett. I look forward to Anthony’s condemnation because otherwise he is a hypocrite and all his searching for traces of anti-Semitism pales into insignificance when compared to open anti-Semitism such as this.<br />http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2010/12/jonathan-hoffman-excuses-christ-killers.html<br /><br />Indeed if Anthony is really serious he will ask himself why, when Atzmon says how disgusting and asocial Jews in the diaspora are, he quotes Zionists like Borochov and Syrkin in his support!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-29315275142327094022011-09-18T21:03:21.786+01:002011-09-18T21:03:21.786+01:00Jock asks whether or not Anthony is the kind of fr...Jock asks whether or not Anthony is the kind of friend we need. The answer is no. Anthony is not seriously interested in anti-Semitism – be it in the Palestine Solidarity Movement or the Zionist movement for that matter and the fact that he openly boasts of a Harry’s Place blog is indicative, because HP is an openly racist anti-Islamic site, the content of which is barely different from the neanderthal outpourings of the EDL. <br />Anthony suffers from a blindness when it comes to western racism. Racism is only the property of the oppressed or those who support them. It has nothing to do with power, i.e. that those with power use racism to deal out death and destruction. The reaction of the victim, which sometimes reflects the racism of their oppressor, is what concerns Anthony. So you would never get an article on HP or anything by Anthony about the attempt of Israel to Judify the Negev and move 30,000 Bedouin out of their ‘unrecognised’ villages says everything. There is nothing to say about the Apartheid existence of 2 legal systems on the West Bank, for Arabs and Jews, the banning of Arabs from leasing land inside Israel etc.<br /><br />So when you have examples of anti-Semitism even among Israelis and Zionists Anthony’s lips are sealed. E.g. I posted the article ‘Hitler was Right’ about how Israeli right-wingers chanted ‘Hitler was right’ and other delightful things at Jewish protestors against the theft of Arab houses in Sheikh Jarrar, Jerusalem. http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2010/02/hitler-was-right-say-zionists.html <br /><br />Likewise there wasn’t one word about the Lubavitch magazine Fountains of Salvation in Israel. Lubavitch aren’t a minor group but a very significant current in Jewish orthodoxy. Their most prominent rabbi in Britain, Rabbi Schochet, has been tipped as the next Chief Rabbi by the Jewish Chronicle. Yet the magazine carried an article on ‘death camps’ for Palestinians. Did Anthony or the horde of HPers say a word? Of course not.<br />http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2011/01/exterminate-palestinians-says-lubavitch.html<br /><br />Nor was this something dreamt up by me. Below is a link to the article in Ha’aretz on the issue but Anthony isn’t interested.<br />http://www.haaretz.com/misc/article-print-page/editorial-calling-for-death-camps-for-amalekites-raises-storm-among-religious-1.338588?trailingPath=2.169,2.225,2.226 <br />Or let us take the controversy in Israel over the book Torat HaMelech, which openly advocates the killing of Palestinian civililans, yeah including chidlren and babies. It has caused a major controversy. Israeli police were forced to arrest the author, Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira and then the leader of the Yesha Council of Rabbis Dov Lior. Shapira has been supported by hundreds of rabbis and the authorities haven’t dared prosecute him, but a Palestinian who makes an ‘anti-Semitic’ comment still less a call for open murder would be detained indefinitely. What did Shapira write:<br />"It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for the threatening situation," he wrote, adding: "If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments - because we care about the commandments - there is nothing wrong with the murder." http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2009/11/even-non-jewish-children-must-be-killed.html <br />So this is the context in which Anthony has set up a blog 'exposing anti-Semitism.' As David Hillman says, there are so many conspiracy sites on the net that it is quite easy to link to them by mistake or without investigating each in depth. E.g. I linked to the Palestine Chronicle, not realising it was the site of one of the more stupid Palestinian supporters of Atzmon, Sameh Habeeb.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-77747145721563958082011-09-18T21:01:14.697+01:002011-09-18T21:01:14.697+01:00'Atzmon is a moron'. I reckon it'd mak...'Atzmon is a moron'. I reckon it'd make a good song. Not worth making one up about 'Shamir' since he changes his name whenever his socks smell. First came across trendy crypto-anti-semitism when I very briefly joined Exeter PSC back in 2005. Good to see the national campaign has finally learnt to walk and chew gum simultaneously. Best wishes. ManfredManfred Ropschitznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-46349678008618463712011-09-18T18:10:06.296+01:002011-09-18T18:10:06.296+01:00I'd actually welcome coomments to me if anythi...I'd actually welcome coomments to me if anything on our blog could be honestly understood or misunderstood as antisemitism.With so many weird and wonderful conspiracy sites on the net, some of which pretend sympathy to the Palestinians, you have to be carefull who you link to. see http://oxfordpsc.blogspot.com/ <br />What we stand firm against is being accused of the "new antisemitism", which is actually any criticism of Israel. In fact opposition to all forms of racism here and opposition to the racist state of Israel are inseparable.<br />David HillmanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-63573123267364885912011-09-18T17:38:56.421+01:002011-09-18T17:38:56.421+01:00Is Anthony the kind of friends you want, Tony? Be...Is Anthony the kind of friends you want, Tony? Because that's where this line leads. We don't need any Spanish inquisitions.jock mctrousersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-92058970076778404142011-09-18T09:33:38.535+01:002011-09-18T09:33:38.535+01:00Tony,
I am also not privy to the reasons for this...Tony,<br /><br />I am also not privy to the reasons for this statement being issued now and I am a little reluctant to blow my own trumpet. However, perhaps you should look at my blog http://exposingantisemitism.blogspot.com/ and Harry's Place http://hurryupharry.org/<br /><br />For about two weeks now we have been uncovering Holocaust denial and other anti-Semitic material either hosted on PSC branch websites, linked to by them, or posted by senior members of PSC branches on other sites.<br /><br />Whether the evidence we have uncovered is convincing of a wider problem inside the PSC and whether it could have been responsible for this statement from the PSC is something everyone has to judge for themselves, I suppose. It's worth noting, though, that one of the most recent groups discussed was Brent PSC and, in particular, Maha Rahwanji who is also a member of the PSC EC. Soon after the revelation she removed as much of the evidence as she could and replaced it with the statement that is now on the PSC front page.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18042333097298473210noreply@blogger.com