tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post6850570319230840757..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Support the Palestinian Prisoners' Hunger StrikeTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-74070969894571494492011-10-29T01:49:29.448+01:002011-10-29T01:49:29.448+01:00Greenstein produces no evidence for his claim that...Greenstein produces no evidence for his claim that Atzmon’s view of Jews is ‘an essentialist view based on a racist outlook’. None whatsoever – all he can do is misquote Atzmon in a particularly silly way. On his own blog, Greenstein’s co-thinker Brian Robinson admitted misquoting Atzmon in this way, his clear statements that he did not consider Jews to be an ethnic group or ‘race’ at all being twisted to say the exact opposite. In Robinson’s case, he at least acknowledged that he had made a mistake, but Greenstein would hear nothing of it, saying “I have no doubt he [sees Jews as a race – RS] – however he defines it”. No evidence of this, but much to the contrary.<br /><br />redscribe<br /><br />Looks like I am not the only one that thinks that you don't have any evidence.........<br />and u wish to debate..... you lost before it even started, no wonder you deleted my last comment as usual you don't have any answers.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-9487526033478180192011-10-27T22:56:15.499+01:002011-10-27T22:56:15.499+01:00How interesting. Gilad Atzmon, aka a holocaust de...How interesting. Gilad Atzmon, aka a holocaust denier, leaps to the defence of Josh!<br /><br />Atzmon thinks my logic is faulty. Not at all. If Hamas know nothing about the holocaust, let alone what denial means, then how can they be holocaust deniers? Normally people support things they do understand (though in Atzmon's case I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt!).<br /><br />Holocaust denial is a European, neo-Nazi affair. it has no social or material roots in the Arab countries. People who espouse holocaust denial are usually merely echoing a commonplace or in effect saying 'we don't support Israel and as the holocaust is used to justify and legitimise the holocaust we don't support that either.' It's a totally different phenomenon from the European neo-Nazis that Atzmon hangs around with.<br /><br />I'm not aware that Josh has brought any evidence that Hamas understands what the holocaust means. They put stupid phrases about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion into their Charter to annoy the animals, just as children like to provoke.<br /><br />Yes I answered the claim that Zionism encourages indeed thrives upon holocaust denial and its practitioners like Atzmon. And I answered it. if you use the holocaust to justify things like the invasion of Gaza you are obviously encouraging people to deny the holocaust, i.e. the excuse for carrying out the particular barbarity. it's an easy argument to understand but Atzmon and his Zionist friend clearly don't understand it.<br /><br />Atzmon's concern is touching but doom is not something I deal with, merely massive egos.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-72193642959726987062011-10-26T22:03:14.412+01:002011-10-26T22:03:14.412+01:00tonyle'
You lost the debate before it even sta...tonyle'<br />You lost the debate before it even started.<br />Tle'G: "Hamas don't support holocaust denial. I doubt they even know what it means." that's an intellectual remark....... if you doubt they even know what it means (......don't they ?) how do u come to the conclution they don't support something they don't know.....<br />and then you claim "And does moron Josh provide any evidence, a quote or some such. Ahem no."<br />But Josh brings you evidence<br /><br />And then tonyle' writes his remarkable intellectual discovery "Holocaust Denial is a phenomenon encouraged by Zionism"<br />So josh asks for "evidence to your stupid claim that Holocaust Denial is encouraged by Zionist."<br />But Tony'le as usual has NO evidence, only his super bla bla rhetoric "cut and paste" puding again and again.<br /><br />Josh asked you for evidence again and not for your reused puding.<br />But As you don't have any a basic intellectual integrity, you keep on with your bla bla, but again NO evidence....... you are doomed tonyle'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-13882608272761865542011-10-26T00:05:16.580+01:002011-10-26T00:05:16.580+01:00Josh asks where the proof is that Zionists support...Josh asks where the proof is that Zionists support Holocaust Denial and then, sure enough, a holocaust denier, Gilad Atzmon, turns up to congratulate him! <br /><br />I know you are cerebrally challenged Josh but I didn't say that Idiot Josh or his clones had encouraged Paul Eisen to put pen to paper. The argument is somewhat subtler and therefore, unsurprisingly, it isn't something that this minor propagandist can deal with.<br /><br />To repeat. Zionism, in its attempts to use the holocaust as a cloak and justification for all the many abominations directed at the Palestinians, thereby cheapens the holocaust and opens it to doubt. Because people say, quite understandably, that if the use of white phosphorous against Palestinian school children, if the imprisonment without trial of thousands of Palestinians, if the confiscation of their land and the destruction of their villages is because of something called the 'holocaust' then maybe it didn't occur.<br /><br />And some people take it a step further, such as Josh's fellow idiot Ahmedinajad, and say that if the holocaust gives Zionism legitimacy, then if we deny the holocaust Zionism is illegitimate. The problem with this is that the holocaust did occur and therefore, by their own logic, Israel is legitimate.<br /><br />I know it's a complicated argument (actually not really, but for a simple hasbarist it is) Josh so I understand if you can't quite get your head around the fact that for Zionism, holocaust denial is a boon.<br /><br />That is why you have Israelis now who identify with the Nazis and also identify the Left and the Palestinians with the Nazi's enemies. See http://azvsas.blogspot.com/2010/02/hitler-was-right-say-zionists.html which shows Josh's friends at work.<br /><br />And as more proof, we have Atzmon leaping to your defence Josh (yes it is he and his trademark). And yes Atzmon I'm happy to debate with you but throwing down a challenge to me, which I accepted, and then expecting me to do the organisation is a bit much! But yes in principle I am committed to debating with you next year.<br /><br />Unlike many of my compatriots I am not at all afraid to go into the ring and deflate your ego (just hoping that the resulting wind won't blow the audience away!)Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-78866573282103778372011-10-25T18:08:52.967+01:002011-10-25T18:08:52.967+01:00Tonyle' never had any evidence to back up his ...Tonyle' never had any evidence to back up his empty Shallow idea's, that's why he never had the balls to have any real debate and always hides behind ridiculous explanations.<br />Josh it is not new, that's why he lost all his credibility he never had....<br />Good to here that he is now named antisemite.<br />I think this is even a compliment for this persona.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-15387705224472391992011-10-25T09:20:01.348+01:002011-10-25T09:20:01.348+01:00Where is a proof that Zionist support Holocaust D...Where is a proof that Zionist support Holocaust DENIAL, show me one, your attempt to escape with your ridiculous empty words, just shows that you have NO evidence and no proof.<br />You are the one that supports those who deny the Holocaust , you asked your naive question for proof and you got it, while you have non.<br />That leaves us with the base that you are an Antisemite.<br /><br />I lost interest in your hopeless attempt to defend your zero views.<br />No wonder you are a lost case even by the Palestinians,as you are just another antisemite.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-70424805215975241112011-10-24T11:36:44.718+01:002011-10-24T11:36:44.718+01:00If you knew I was going to delete your last commen...If you knew I was going to delete your last comment why post it? I deleted it because Zios like Josh resort to ritual abuse when they lose the argument and I won't have that in discussions.<br /><br />Yes Zionists welcome holocaust denial because it 'proves' that the Palestinians oppose Israel for anti-semitic reasons. And how is this achieved? Simple. They repeatedly justify Zionism's barbarities by reference to the holocaust.<br /><br />Who can forget Begin, bombing Beirut's civilian population in 1982, describing the situation as Arafat, like Hitler, in his bunker. It is reasonable in such circumstances, even if politically wrong and stupid, that Arabs will turn around and say that if the holocaust legitimises Israel then it couldn't have occurred.<br /><br />The fact that the death of 5-6 million Jews is used as a stage prop to excuse further massacres shows just how sickening Zionism really is. It uses the Jews who died in the holocaust to justify its own racism, something even more twisted and grotesque given that the Zionist movement collaborated with the Hitlerites continuously from 1933 to 1945 and but for which many fewer Jews would have died.<br /><br />I knew you are going to delete my last comment, as you don't have any answer and evidence to your stupid claim that Holocaust Denial is encouraged by Zionist.<br /><br />Your Antisemite views are known already.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-14155274307956895962011-10-24T09:13:37.538+01:002011-10-24T09:13:37.538+01:00I knew you are going to delete my last comment, as...I knew you are going to delete my last comment, as you don't have any answer and evidence to your stupid claim that Holocaust Denial is encouraged by Zionist.<br /><br />Your Antisemite views are known already.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-44509354063336113382011-10-23T03:43:32.005+01:002011-10-23T03:43:32.005+01:00Well in that case, Josh, you are even more of a Zi...Well in that case, Josh, you are even more of a Zionist turd. Since Shin Bet, Israel's secret police, virtually created Hamas in the 1980's in order to undermine secular Palestinian nationalism.<br /><br />People like the Marxist Ahmad Sadat of the PFLP languish on hunger strike after having been in solitary confinement for 700 days so little Jewish fascists like you can wax lyrical on all the tragedies you bring about.<br /><br />Holocaust Denial is a phenomenon encouraged by Zionism as a means of bolstering its myths of anti-Semitism. No one has done more to increase holocaust denial, by conflating Israel and the Holocaust, more than scum Zionists like yourself.<br /><br />Pity you are too thick to understand.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-19179627832209206452011-10-21T09:27:36.255+01:002011-10-21T09:27:36.255+01:00GREENSTEIN - Playing the Naive fool.
"Hamas d...GREENSTEIN - Playing the Naive fool.<br />"Hamas don't support holocaust denial. I doubt they even know what it means."<br /><br />keep on protecting your Hamas Antisemite hero's, it's a great publicity.<br /><br />open letter to UNRWA Chief John Ging regarding the Holocaust stating that the group refuses to “let our children study a lie invented by the Zionists”.<br /><br /> Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi held that the Holocaust never occurred.<br />A press release by Hamas in April 2000 decried "the so-called Holocaust, which is an alleged and invented story with no basis.<br /><br />So killing Jews and deny the holocaust is ok according to Tony Greenstein as long is it not done politically.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-41258938188153503462011-10-21T00:30:52.353+01:002011-10-21T00:30:52.353+01:00It's always good to have a prime example of th...It's always good to have a prime example of the more moronic tendency of Zionism, as represented by Josh. They are strong on assertion but a little less so on fact. Unsurprisingly. So apparently:<br /><br />'Greenstien a real Anti Semite' [who in Zionist eyes isn't?] supports Holocaust denial and killing of Jews (but not politically).<br /><br />Apart from not spelling my name correctlyI apparently support Holocaust denial. And does moron Josh provide any evidence, a quote or some such. Ahem no.<br /><br />Instead, in the classic guilt-by-association technique, because I support the right of those democratically elected to govern, which in this case is Hamas,I support holocaust denial! And what about the Palestinian Authority and Abbas? Abbas actually wrote a thesis supporting holocaust denial but because he is one of Josh's good guys he isn't mentioned.<br /><br />Hamas don't support holocaust denial. I doubt they even know what it means. They reflect some ideological baggage of European holocaust deniers but that is entirely different. There has never been any social basis for anti-Semitism in the Arab world unlike Europe where it certainly put down roots. That is why alone among Nazi occupied states, it was the Arab countries and Moslem Albania which didn't report Jews to their deaths. But being a simpleton our dear Zionist is hard put to understand this.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-87996702198009501792011-10-20T15:55:10.501+01:002011-10-20T15:55:10.501+01:00Great to read Greenstien a real Anti Semite suppor...Great to read Greenstien a real Anti Semite supports Holocaust denial and killing of Jews (but not politically).<br />“Of course I support them, as the representative of an oppressed people”<br /><br />So killing Jews and deny the holocaust is ok according to antisemite Tony Greenstein as long is it not done politically.<br /><br />That's great news to spread all over..........Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-22940276747133141272011-10-20T01:11:37.856+01:002011-10-20T01:11:37.856+01:00'You support Hamas'.
Maybe the idiot Zion...'You support Hamas'.<br /><br />Maybe the idiot Zionist could point to a single quote where I support Hamas politically? Of course I support them, as the representative of an oppressed people, when Judeo Nazis bomb civilians and chicken farms and sewerage plants.<br /><br />Actually Atzmon took your place. He regularly quotes from early Zionists like Borochov and Syrkin to show how bad Jews are. It's no wonder that Zionists have said virtually nothing about him and the organiser of his Freiburg conference boasted that they expected trouble from Zionists but it was us what did the damage.<br /><br />But then again I suspect this is an Atzmonite dressed up in Zionist clothing (not that there's much difference between them!).Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-64209735415907325752011-10-19T09:22:33.091+01:002011-10-19T09:22:33.091+01:00You are a joke
You support Hamas: holocaust denier...You are a joke<br />You support Hamas: holocaust deniers, anti jews, jews killers, but freedom fighters.<br />You oppose Atzmon:holocaust denier, anti jew, freedom fighter.<br /><br />because He took your place, what a shame, you are pushed away from everything.<br />Palestinians and Jews.<br />Next you will be welcomed by the Zio's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com