tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post4148673831129332379..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Mark Regev - Israel's GoebbelsTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-13321839566931001132012-08-29T03:50:17.832+01:002012-08-29T03:50:17.832+01:00All so right Tony, these damned Israelis get away ...All so right Tony, these damned Israelis get away with murder regularly, take the unnoticed and unreported murder of Palestinian mother Tali Hatuel and her 5 kids, in cold blood,All one hears about are Hamas attacks on Israelis. the Tali Hatuel killing in on the internet...it is worth a look...bloody Israelis ....steve omarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-27560952440606426872010-06-09T04:13:37.313+01:002010-06-09T04:13:37.313+01:00Omar,
I'll try and access the e-mail account ...Omar,<br /><br />I'll try and access the e-mail account attached to the blog. Can't understand why you can't mail me though!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-51683625905235769752010-06-08T23:01:44.688+01:002010-06-08T23:01:44.688+01:00Thanks Tony. I'm afraid I tried to email you b...Thanks Tony. I'm afraid I tried to email you but some prompt about me not having the right something-or-other installed means your e-mail won't open up and I'm a bit reluctant to post my e-mail address lest I be subject to internet nuttery. When comments are held for moderation can you not see where the message originates from? Sorry I'm not the most computer-savvy bloke around.Omarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382102573411573194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-56008424636118550012010-06-08T02:56:51.634+01:002010-06-08T02:56:51.634+01:00Omar,
you will have to take it from me that I hav...Omar,<br /><br />you will have to take it from me that I have had e-mail conversations with Blankfort which make me conclude he has crossed the border as it were.<br /><br />He is or rather was a member of the Board of Advisors of Deir Yassin remembered, which is the repository of holocaust deniers who purport to support the Palestinians.<br /><br />It included both Blankfort and Israel Shamir, who believes Auschwitz was a detention centre at worst.<br /><br />The list is wrong in any event http://www.deiryassin.org/board.html (e.g. Leah Tsemel resigned many years ago) and Pappe is no longer a member as far as I'm aware.<br /><br />Why does this matter? Because if you look for the explanation of Israel via Jews you look through the telescope through the wrong end and understand nothing. Jews change and have changed from anti-Zionist to Zionist positions.<br /><br />Yes most grassroots supporters of israel are Jewish but that is not the reason why Israel receives the highest aid of any country in the world. It occupies a strategic position in the world and is a dependable settler colonial state.<br /><br />Yes there is an obvious contrast between Jewish political positions of old and Zionism today. I am more aware than most of the vast changes in Jewish political opinions. However these are not the product of some whimsical change but the harnessing of outrge over the holocaust to imperial purposes. <br /><br />Which is why to deny the holocaust is not a great way to support the Palestinians. This blog tries to show, too rarely I agree, the actual record of Zionism when it came to fight anti-Semitism and Nazism.<br /><br />Of course my name will appear on the Zionist hate lists but these are written by crude people whose understanding of differences between Blankfort and myself are zero. <br /><br />It is also, albeit a subsidiary task, to try and break at least some Jews from Zionism.<br /><br />send me ur e-mail address and I'll mail you a text copy of our e-mails.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-21588810916658912142010-06-08T00:18:25.072+01:002010-06-08T00:18:25.072+01:00Thanks for the reply,Tony.
I don't claim to b...Thanks for the reply,Tony. <br />I don't claim to be a follower of Blankfort's but I just happened to stumble across a few of his articles on the web.Nothing that I've read by him so far struck me as particularly anti-Semitic, frankly.<br /><br /> I've not been particularly active in politics for the last 17 years (aside from yelling at the TV when Right-wingers and Zionists are on it) so my info may not be as up to date as yours. I'm always willing to look at any examples that you may have of his anti-Semitism. As a non-Jew I find it hard to get my head around a Jewish activist being described as an anti-Semite ( your name also pops up as such on pro-Zionist sites,too). <br />I lived in Toronto up until 2000 and most Jews I knew , even those who were progressive, were quite pro-Zionist and anti-Arab. And on Canadian and US news programs the spokesmen for the pro-Zionists appeared to be mostly drawn from the Jewish community. <br />I don't doubt that the Zionist lobby in the US has a large Christian-right element to it but might it be possible that some writers (like Blankfort) focus on Jews because they want to juxtapose the great traditions of intellectualism and humanism ( not to mention the lessons that should be learned from the Holocaust) against the degraded, quasi-Fascist culture that contemporary Zionism represents? <br />Hope I'm not coming across as naive ( or worse, racist) but I'd be interested in your thoughts and ( any links to Blankforts work you feel is anti-Semitic). cheers,OmarOmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382102573411573194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-31404000196355561712010-06-06T19:56:13.223+01:002010-06-06T19:56:13.223+01:00And like their Boer counterparts, the Zionists don...<i>And like their Boer counterparts, the Zionists don't even understand why they are fast losing political support in the West, without which they are doomed.</i><br />- A good illustration of this is the way Theresa McDermott's testimony (which I refer to in my previous comment) is given headline billing in today's Sunday news section of Scotland's biggest selling broadsheet newspaper - along with an essay by Ilan Pappe, and also report on yesterday's Palestine Solidarity march in Edinburgh.<br /><br />See -<br /><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/guest-commentary/essay-of-the-week-what-drives-israel-1.1032971" rel="nofollow">Essay of the week: What drives Israel?</a><br />by Ilan Pappe<br />Sunday Herald (Glasgow)<br />06 June 2010<br /><br /><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/thousands-take-to-streets-in-protest-over-israel-s-actions-on-gaza-aid-ships-1.1033095" rel="nofollow">Thousands take to streets in protest over Israel’s actions on Gaza aid ships</a><br />Sunday Herald (Glasgow)<br />06 June 2010<br /><br /><br />Another illustration of the change in attitude amongst corporate news media is that for the first time, as far as I'm aware, BBC Scotland has provided a link to the Scottish PSC website in one of its news reports -<br /><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/10246953.stm" rel="nofollow">Thousands join Gaza protest in Edinburgh</a><br />BBc Scotland<br />05 June 2010<br /><br />The BBC has even providing links to the <i>Free Gaza</i> and the <i>WitnessGaza</i> websites as well I see.<br /><br /><br />Reich Minister Mark Regev is claiming Israel was being attacked by last week's MV Mavi Marmara flotilla, which was in international waters when Israel was forced to defend itself. At least Hitler and Goebbel's had the good grace to counterfeit an attack on Germany by Polish extremists by having it staged inside German borers, rather than outside -<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident" rel="nofollow">Gleiwitz incident</a><br />wikipedia<br /><br /><br />In a re-run of Convoy PQ 17, the British Government, and even the British corporate news media, seem quite happy about leaving British civilians utterly defenceless against threats of attack from violent fascists in international waters -<br /><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_PQ_17" rel="nofollow">Convoy PQ 17</a><br />wiki<br /><br />all the best<br /><br />ps<br />Captian Mark Regev aboard the USS Israel orders the crew to Panic Stations -<br /><a href="http://www.facebook.com/israelflotilla" rel="nofollow">The Truth About Israel's Defensive Actions Against The Flotilla</a><br />flottilaIsrael<br />Facebookjoe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-87897193556756266652010-06-06T18:05:18.806+01:002010-06-06T18:05:18.806+01:00And like their Boer counterparts, the Zionists don...And like their Boer counterparts, the Zionists don't even understand why they are fast losing political support in the West, without which they are doomed.<br /><br />Like all dinosaurs they have not the ability to adapt and survive. Instead they mouthe 'anti-semitism' which fools fewer and fewer people these daysTony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-37937681236133749922010-06-06T15:56:08.913+01:002010-06-06T15:56:08.913+01:00And here is another method Mark Regev's Minist...And here is another method Mark Regev's Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda deals with rival versions of the truth -<br /><br /><i>They walked up to the man co-ordinating facilities for journalists, put a gun to his head and shot him dead at point-blank range</i><br />- Theresa McDermott, member of Turkey-Gaza flotilla attacked and hijacked in international waters by violent extremist fundamentalist rogue state.<br /><br />Read Theresa's account here, re-told to Scotland's biggest selling Sunday broadsheet and given news headline status along with Saturday's Palestine Solidarity march in Edinburgh -<br /><a href="http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/fear-pain-and-propaganda-an-activist-s-story-1.1033113" rel="nofollow">Fear, pain and propaganda: an activist’s story</a><br />HeraldScotland (Glasgow)<br />06 June 2010<br /><br />all the bestjoe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-54405288190043402952010-06-06T15:43:33.627+01:002010-06-06T15:43:33.627+01:00Mark, there was and is a kernel of truth to Regev&...Mark, there was and is a kernel of truth to Regev's utterances. He doesn't deny that people were killed on board the Mavi Marmara. He just blames it on those who died. In fact this is identical to the Nazis who also blamed the Jews for what befell them. I am particularly thinking of the speech of Hitler of 30.1.33 and repeated many times subseaquently where he 'prophesied' the annihilation of the Jewish race. Needless to say it was a self-fulfilling prophecy. <br /><br />Yes Regev and the Zionists are trying to turn the Rachel Corrie into the 'good guys' (relatively) so as to support their argument that it was only the nasty terrorists who were responsible for the Israeli's evil attack. Agreed I heard Bragg and he was pretty pathetic.<br /><br />Omar, I'm not doubting that the AFL-CIL invests in Israeli state bonds. If you read the Class Nature of Zionism, written by Moshe Machover, Haim Hanegbi and Akiva Orr some 40 years ago in New Left Review they detail the links then between the AFL-CIO.<br /><br />This is not new or a revelation. The AFL-CIO has always been very supportive of US imperialism and therefore of Israel.<br /><br />Blankfort however focuses on Jews, which is what the ZIonists love. I've just come back from the Big Questions BBC programme, whcih had technical problems, but that is the Zionists first resort. Should we give them some ammo free of charge?<br /><br />Anti-semitism doesn't hurt the Zionists. Indeed Hoffman and co. love it. It does harm the palestinians though. It is a great pity that Hamas are too stupid to understand that putting support for the Protocols of Elders of Zion in their Charter just plays into the hands of the Zionists.<br /><br />But then Islamists don't have much understanding of politics or how to win friends. It's a great pity that Palestinians don't sit down and learn from the ANC in South Africa. They didn't give any room for anti-white racism because they knew it was counter-productive. Unfortunately many Palestinians are unable to distinguish between charlatans like Blankfort and Atzmon and say Chomsky (who Blankfort hates).<br /><br />That incidentally is part of the reason why the Palestinians have always come off second best against Zionist propagandists. They aren't sure what their explanations are and some of them come back to the nonsense that Blankfort and co. put out.<br /><br />Jock I know that they were having problems with the satellite throughout. I suspect, I haven't looked at the site, that they were genuine. Certainly the Zionists were pissed off!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-49059489159161495032010-06-06T11:32:40.533+01:002010-06-06T11:32:40.533+01:00I suppose this is on topic re propaganda. I saw y...I suppose this is on topic re propaganda. I saw you (Tony Greenstein) very briefly on the BBC's 'the Big Question' with Nicky Campbell this morning (Sunday). I suppose you'd asked to be included to discuss the question 'is Israel acting immorally'? That's a difficult question, eh? Well, you know about the 'transmission problems'. For anyone who should read this who doesn't know, the question about guns was constantly interrupted with 'we're working on the problem' type messages; then at one point, there was a 'return' to the programme with Campbell saying " I hope you've enjoyed the debates we've had, and the ones we're going to have..." I guessed right - the Israel question was NOT one of the ones 'we're going to have'. Missed out completely. I didn't expect the show to be on the BBC iPlayer yet (and I expect that there will be some reason not to put it there), but I had a look at the Big Question site anyway and noticed there's a messageboard with a column of discussion headings. All the other topics were there EXCEPT guess which, but there was a MYSTERY FORUM entitled " No discussion title/ HIDDEN". Entering I found:<br /><br />" This posting has been temporarily hidden, because a member of our Moderation Team has referred it to the Hosts for a decision as to whether it contravenes the House rules in some way. We will do everything we can to ensure that a decision is made as quickly as possible."<br /><br />Followed by 3 posts from zionists justifying the Israeli assault on the flotilla, and one post wondering whether the 'technical difficulties' were in fact censorship. This is it. Can the BBC get any more pathetic?<br /><br />Nicky Campbell actually used to host an extremely daring morning show on radio 5 live, between 9/11 and the Hutton report roughly. It was the only place in mainstream radio or tv where the truth got an airing - there were live broadcasts from Bethlehem, with the mayor on all morning answering questions, Ramallah, interviews with reps from Hamas and Hezbullah. After Hutton, Campbell got moved to the before 9am breakfast spot and must have been told to keep it innocuous, because that's what it is; and the after-9 spot then feature the usual bland fare from some new cheeky chaps and chapesses like that Manchester woman and the Irish guy. But there seem to be signs that the Beeb is again dipping a toe in the water of controversy - maybe feeling, probably correctly and sadly, that the new Tory lot won't be quite so viciously censorious as NULab - Campbell has a couple of mornings again in his previous spot and from the little I've heard it seems at least a little more 'serious' than the pre-9am stuff; and the Big Question occasionally gets a bit risque, just a tad. <br /> So keeping fingers crossed that I might see you on the iPlayer. LOL.jock mctrousersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-46019032194812192212010-06-06T03:54:49.500+01:002010-06-06T03:54:49.500+01:00Hi Tony. Off topic but further to your responses t...Hi Tony. Off topic but further to your responses to my posts at SU I'm providing some links that seem to back-up Blankfort's criticisms of AFL-CIO and their investment in State of Israel bonds. <br /><br />http://www.dumpisraelbonds.com/ct_letter_sept_09<br /><br />.htmhttp://hurryupharry.org/2009/11/02/afl-cio-leader-promises-support-for-israel/<br /><br /><br />All the best.<br /> OmarOmarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12382102573411573194noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-67507461476172856612010-06-05T18:54:12.772+01:002010-06-05T18:54:12.772+01:00The Reich Minister for Public Enlightenment and Pr...The Reich Minister for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda, Mark Miwurdz Regev, was 'interviewed' on the 5.45 pm ITN TV news this evening claiming that the MV Mavi Marmara had radical Islamic extremists on-board, unlike the MV Rachel Corrie today which he claims had none.<br /><br />The ITN journalist and news editors didn't think fit to question his version of events. <br /><br />Submission to authority being a primary asset for corporate journalists and their careers and one they are unable to perceive even.<br /><br />ps<br />Billy Bragg on this week's panel of Radio 4 <i>Any Questions</i> is absolutely awful I'm afraid -<br /><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00sk7rw" rel="nofollow">Any Questions?</a><br />BBC Radio 4joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-64446913120964114242010-06-05T11:06:00.988+01:002010-06-05T11:06:00.988+01:00Mark Regev - Israel's Goebbels?
Completely wr...Mark Regev - Israel's Goebbels?<br /><br />Completely wrong! Goebbels needed a "kernel of truth". Regev doesn't even need that.levi9909https://www.blogger.com/profile/10553481056544494411noreply@blogger.com