tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post4057794951619312470..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Arabs to the OvensTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18063032932673151082011-01-27T22:55:47.512+00:002011-01-27T22:55:47.512+00:00Ah, ever the hypocrite. Having just justified the...Ah, ever the hypocrite. Having just justified the naked racism of Israeli high school students on another post, 'it's suicide bombers wot done it' (although the absence of suicide bombers for 20+ years after the occupation of the West bank/Gaza didn't prevent racism and settlements then either.<br /><br />But John Collins thinks it's 'vile' to call Rabbis Nazis. So when Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira explains in Torat HaMelech, defended by the whole spectrum of Orthodoxy in Israel, that <br /><br />“There is justification for killing babies if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us, and in such a situation they may be harmed deliberately, and not only during combat with adults.” <br /><br />JC finds nothing wrong with this. But if I call Shapira a Nazi Rabbi he fulminates and foams at the mouth.<br /><br />And when Rabbi Yaacov Perrin eulogised at the funeral of mass murderer Baruch Goldstein that "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail," would it be wrong to call him a Nazi? Why, because he's a Jewish racist?<br />http://www.nytimes.com/1994/02/28/world/west-bank-massacre-israel-orders-tough-measures-against-militant-settlers.html<br /><br />Or when Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Yesha Rabbinical Council says that "a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dov_Lior#cite_note-6 does that make him John Collin's ideal example of an Israeli anti-racist? Perhaps we should be told. To me he is a Judeo Nazi rabbi, to quote the late and great Yeshoyahu Leibowitz, a professor at the Hebrew University and someone whose discarded finger nails probably contained more intelligence than resides in John Collins.<br /><br />I am well aware of what the Nazi beasts did to Jewish (and also non-Jewish) children. But what he isn't able to do is to see his own image in the mirror. Those who call Palestinians 'drugged cockroaches' (Raful Eitan, ex-chief of staff) or 'two-legged beasts' (Menahem Begin ex Prime Minister) are Nazis whatever their religio-national designation.<br /><br />John Collins is a good example of the moral blindness of Israelis and their supporters. He is sensitive to the slightest slight against Israeli Jews but is nonchalant and forgiving when murderous and exterminationist language and actions are used against Palestinians. <br /><br />White phosphorous used against schools in Gaza? No problem, you're an anti-Semite for mentioning it! Yes maybe the truth is also anti-Semitic these days or maybe John Collins and his ilk should employ different language. Such as anti-Zionist and anti-racist. It is precisely because JC's favourite rabbis employ Nazi like rhetoric that I accuse them of being akin to the Nazis ideologically. Their only problem is putting their ideas into action. But who knows, one day...Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-89062413600240683582011-01-27T22:16:47.226+00:002011-01-27T22:16:47.226+00:00Your comments are VILE. Those Jews and non Jews wh...Your comments are VILE. Those Jews and non Jews who call Rabbis 'Nazis' should be ashamed of themselves. Those who call Rabbis Nazis, yet in the same breath defend the cult of the suicide bomber, a death cult targeting Jews, rampant across the increasingly Islamist West Bank and Gaza are so far detached from reality that it beggars belief that anyone would take their comments seriously, and very, very frightening when they do. Calling a Rabbi a Nazi is not just offensive. It recreates the conditions for a second holocaust. And that would be the end of any Jew who though it was OK to use such language. As for MR anonymous who talks of 'mutilation' of babies during circumcision whilst calling Rabbis Nazis, let me remind MR anonymous of Nazi atrocities. The Nazis would take Jewish babies and throw them in the air in front of their mothers. The game, to shoot and kill the baby before it hit the ground. THIS IS THE LEGACY OF THE NAZIS !!!!! How DARE you use this word to describe the Jews. BE ASHAMAMED of yourself whoever you are and those that agree with such VILE comments.John Collinsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-73305865954373771292011-01-20T15:22:52.949+00:002011-01-20T15:22:52.949+00:00Thanks Simon. I don't think I am the only one...Thanks Simon. I don't think I am the only one working around this area but it is all very diffuse unfortunately. But these people now so regularly shoot themselves in the foot, because they don't think of the diplomatic consequences, that they leave a lot of hostages to fortune.<br /><br />Instead of being quiet and going about the normal Zionist discrimination they have to issue fatwas and rulings barring Arabs from renting flats!<br /><br />Re circumcision. Well - it has been a difficult area on a personal level. I have 3 sons and I got the first one circumcised as I had a mix of different emotions plus parental pressure (although I've 'married out') but for the other two my wife was firmly opposed and I had moved into the same camp that if they wanted to be circumcised then they should make the decision when they were older, because there was no medical reason for doing it while they were young.Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-67319965783810083602011-01-20T14:59:01.927+00:002011-01-20T14:59:01.927+00:00Thanks Tony for your excellent blog and all these ...Thanks Tony for your excellent blog and all these shocking revelations about jewish nazi rabbis as I think you before so well described these people.<br />As someone also with jewish origins I can't believe these people are still allowed to genitally mutilate male babies when it is recognised as abuse when done to females. Do you have any thoughts on that? <br />I try to keep up with events but must admit to never even having heard of all the nazi rabbis publications you manage to unearth. I hope you won't let the zionists stop you Tony as from what I can see you are the only one doing important research in this little understood and even little known area. <br />Simon HemskAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-35523692632228987062011-01-19T18:48:12.503+00:002011-01-19T18:48:12.503+00:00Most of all, the Zionists hate the mountains of ev...Most of all, the Zionists hate the mountains of evidence of their duplicity. <br /><br />They hate proof that Herzl (and every other top Zionist) intended ethnic cleansing right from the start of the campaign. It didn't even start with Herzl - ethnic cleansing was already the settled policy of the settlers in Palestine years before that.<br /><br />The duplicity has continued at every stage - denying that white phosphorus was used in Gaza, denial they were harvesting the organs of Palestinians.<br /><br />This new tactic, open and proud racism and mass extermination is almost a breath of fresh air!William Smartnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-7820913055310983542011-01-17T21:24:28.653+00:002011-01-17T21:24:28.653+00:00Holy moly, Tony, good post!
I’ve always believed ...Holy moly, Tony, good post!<br /><br />I’ve always believed that Zionism, for all its perfidy, is essentially non-exterminationist (for various reasons).<br /><br />But these guys, marginal as they may possibly (and hopefully) be, are perhaps more dangerous than we could imagine at face value.<br /><br />Today Zionism has but 4 stark choices:<br /><br />1. Withdraw from WB and allow a Palestinian State to be established. Clearly this is not on the cards, largely due to Western complicity.<br />2. Forced transfers of Palestinian demographic into ‘Arabia’. Thankfully the same hypocritical West would not stand for it, at least not in accelerated and more systematic ways.<br />3. Annexation: it will then descend into Grand Apartheid. Again, I doubt if the world would really stand for that for very long.<br />4. Genocide: ‘magical disappearance’ (to paraphrase R. Falk) and end of the ‘Palestinian Question’.<br /><br />With every Nazi Rabbi spouting this kind of nonsense in ‘family magazines’ the prospect of a ‘Palestinian Final Solution’ becomes more real.Gerthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07752117708821629614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-70974937560727204262011-01-16T21:38:39.752+00:002011-01-16T21:38:39.752+00:00I think we have a duty to ensure that Rabbis Dov L...I think we have a duty to ensure that Rabbis Dov Lior, Shapira, Yosef (son & father) and all the rest have their 'teachings' disseminated as widely as possible. After all that is the role of educators!Tony Greensteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-24367269509316060252011-01-16T18:45:16.567+00:002011-01-16T18:45:16.567+00:00We should make sure that Rabbi Dov Lior, his follo...We should make sure that Rabbi Dov Lior, his followers and all those who turn a blind eye to his nazism, become well known and thus help bring the downfall of the Zionist regime.CJLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06295688922380511987noreply@blogger.com