tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post3905450728828757881..comments2024-03-28T04:26:49.354+00:00Comments on Tony Greenstein's Blog: Genocide in Gaza - Gaza is burning as the Warsaw Ghetto is replayed in miniatureTony Greensteinhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14300640929161205370noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-5001093504770332112009-01-01T00:28:00.000+00:002009-01-01T00:28:00.000+00:00תמר asks how we can condemn Israeli terror bombing...תמר asks how we can condemn Israeli terror bombing ala the finest of fascist bombing campaigns in WW2 without being there. Well I can see enough on the TV screen and by speaking to comrades.<BR/><BR/>Southern Israel isn't occupied territory. Gaza is. The numbers killed in one day are 20 times as high as in the whole of the past 8 years (20 approx.).<BR/><BR/>I think it was the Nazis who took 100 civilian reprisals for every soldier killed so I guess תמר is right in his own way.<BR/><BR/>Being particularly stupid, like most Zionists, תמר doesn't understand that throughout its miserable history the Israeli state has always looked for enemies to justify its 'existence'. For most of the time the Palestinians, the original victims, not least those in gaza fitted the bill. As Robert Fisk noted yesterday in the Independent, the irony is that Ashkelon, the target of some of the rockets from Gaza (not all Hamas incidentally but such subtleties elude the Zionists for whom stupidity is a congenital condition) was where the people of Gaza mostly lived before the expulsions of 1948 and subsequently.<BR/><BR/>I think I have made it clear on the blog that we support and identify with those like the Shministim, those brave Israeli high school students who refuse to serve in an army of occupation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-54445502123331737672008-12-31T21:23:00.000+00:002008-12-31T21:23:00.000+00:00who the hell you think you are???!how can you j Is...who the hell you think you are???!<BR/>how can you j Israel action without spending a day in the bombed area in south Israel?<BR/>all you hypocrites<BR/>why i didn't saw a critic post about the terror actions that the Palestinians doing for the last 15 years?<BR/>why you don't criticize the way the hamas fights, shooting his rockets behind their families? <BR/>they are barbaric and this is the way to deal with them.<BR/>you better go and protest about the death in Congo...תמרhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03271376002982028850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-56071764590745486002008-12-31T19:10:00.000+00:002008-12-31T19:10:00.000+00:00Here is some news about the Scottish Palestine Sol...Here is some news <BR/>about the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign boycotters being put on trial -<BR/><A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JustPeaceUK/message/24847" REL="nofollow">SPSC - Boycotters Go On Trial</A><BR/>JPUK<BR/>31 Dec 2008<BR/><BR/>The timimg of their appearance in court, I'm sure TBG-ers will agree, is exquisite!<BR/><BR/>Here is the SPSC homepage-<BR/><A HREF="http://www.scottishpsc.org.uk/" REL="nofollow">Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign</A>joe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-70949965805892901362008-12-30T23:55:00.000+00:002008-12-30T23:55:00.000+00:00Sarcasm apart, there is of course a comparison wit...Sarcasm apart, there is of course a comparison with the Nazi holocaust. The question is what type of comparison? To simply pretend that they are equivalent, that there are no differences, merely invites ridicule. <BR/><BR/>Whilst it is true that the Warsaw Ghetto had about 1/3 of the population of the Gaza Strip how many actually survived until after the War? One thousand, two thousand? I don't know but the overwhelming majority of those deported to Treblinka, literally all except about 9 of those deported, were exterminated. To therefore make a comparison on this level simply doesn't stand up.<BR/><BR/>But, and I know this is complicated for someone who can't use his own name, i.e. have some form of accountability for his opinions, you can compare methodology (siege, starvation etc.) even if the intended results are not the same. There are similarities but it would be foolish to say that they are exact.<BR/><BR/>The obvious point to make is that the mentality behind the attacks on Gaza are Nazi, the idea that the lives of some human beings aren't equivalent to that of the master race, be it Aryan or Israeli Jewish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-51395023566371133692008-12-30T12:45:00.000+00:002008-12-30T12:45:00.000+00:00oh yes, we must be v-e-r-y careful, extremely care...oh yes, we must be v-e-r-y careful, extremely careful indeed.....there is no comparison at all to the most exceptional crime in history, not now, not historically, not even occurring in the future, none whatsoever, full stop. Because there is no equivalency ever possible in any time period, we should be very careful, so careful and in fact it would be better just to shut up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-18350501302321918902008-12-29T23:29:00.000+00:002008-12-29T23:29:00.000+00:00Well I guess what I meant by Warsaw Ghetto in mini...Well I guess what I meant by Warsaw Ghetto in miniature is this.<BR/><BR/>There are clear comparisons, the starvation siege, murderous attacks on civilians, sealing off of the population BUT there are also differences. Yes the Warsaw Ghetto was 1/3 of the population of the Gaza Strip, but during its 2- 2.5 year existence some 80,000 died from starvation and related diseases. Nearly all the remainder were transported to nearby Treblinka where virtually everyone was exterminated in the gas chambers (unlike Auschwitz Treblinka was only an extermination camp).<BR/><BR/>Clearly this isn't happening in the Gaza Strip so we have to be careful about the comparisons. They are there but the situations aren't the same, nor is the situation in Gaza worse. But the mere fact that Israel seeks the weapon of food and hunger and attacks the population in airplanes (no mention in the media about the cowardice of dropping bombs and rockets on those unable to fight back) is comparable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-19127349229422155382008-12-29T15:11:00.000+00:002008-12-29T15:11:00.000+00:00The Warsaw Ghetto in miniature? "In miniature" yo...The Warsaw Ghetto in miniature? "In miniature" you say?The population of Gaza is three times that of the the Warsaw Ghetto...why do you find it necessary to miniaturize the crimes of the Zionist entity?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-61905509317076668182008-12-29T12:20:00.000+00:002008-12-29T12:20:00.000+00:00Disgraceful stuff. What a surprise to see equivoca...Disgraceful stuff. What a surprise to see equivocation from the govt. on this.<BR/><BR/>Btw, some excellent material on Lenin's Tomb on this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-41586309790868311522008-12-28T21:11:00.000+00:002008-12-28T21:11:00.000+00:00I don't support Hamas politically. And that inclu...I don't support Hamas politically. And that includes its Covenant. But Hamas is the chosen representative of the majority of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and their decision should be respected. Instead the Gazan Palestinians have been subject to a blockade for years and now a murderous blitzkrieg.<BR/><BR/>Is it really suggested that words on a piece of paper are equivalent to the deaths of hundreds of people? We can find many covenants in Israel which are not only racist but have the power of the State behind them. Have a look at that of the Jewish National Fund.<BR/><BR/>And since the Israeli state consciously helped create Hamas as a counterweight to secular Palestinian nationalism, Zionists are the last people to blame for the fact that some of the people they favoured are influenced by anti-Semitism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-78298746197258673402008-12-28T19:35:00.000+00:002008-12-28T19:35:00.000+00:00Dear Tony, Thanks We'll be at the Israeli E tom...Dear Tony, Thanks We'll be at the Israeli E tomorrow, among other protests I protested on Today's website back on re (Edward Stouton's airy intro on friday to the possibility (yes) of an Israeli attack : 'We have got used to Israel's occasional er incursions into the Gaza Strip...' Outrageous. Will put these notices out too JKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-81611934587094841432008-12-28T13:48:00.000+00:002008-12-28T13:48:00.000+00:00Point of information. Your site says "Against all ...Point of information. Your site says "Against all racism" does that include the Hamas covenant calling for the death of Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-640441812647446166.post-6340233303078795862008-12-27T19:11:00.000+00:002008-12-27T19:11:00.000+00:00Protests have been organised for tomorrow and Mond...Protests have been organised for tomorrow and Monday, apparantly, outside the Israeli Embassy in London -<BR/><A HREF="http://leninology.blogspot.com/2008/12/blog-post.html" REL="nofollow">Holy Land</A><BR/>Lenin's Tomb<BR/>27 Dec 2008<BR/><BR/>And from Betty Hunter at UK Palestine Solidarity -<BR/>“Please circulate this notice as widely as possible.<BR/>Thanks,<BR/>Betty”<BR/><BR/>Gaza massacre - Emergency Protest<BR/>Monday 29 December 4.00pm 6.00pm<BR/>Opposite Israeli Embassy - Kensington High Street<BR/>Nearest tube: High Street Kensington<BR/><BR/>Please monitor news channels and call BBC and ITV every day to ask for accurate figures of numbers killed and injured. We will not accept Israeli spokespersons - we want Palestinian commentators.<BR/><BR/>Betty Hunter<BR/>General Secretary<BR/>Palestine Solidarity Campaign<BR/>www.palestinecampaign.org<BR/>020 7700 6192<BR/><BR/>ps<BR/>I have already written to my own New Labour MP and a commenteer at Socialist Unity blog has written to the BBC about its disgraceful coverage -<BR/><A HREF="http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=3222#comment-109551" REL="nofollow">Comment by John Wight — 27 December, 2008 @ 6:21 pm</A><BR/>27 December, 2008<BR/>SLAUGHTER IN GAZAjoe90 kanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15925893894108250518noreply@blogger.com