15 January 2013

Israel’s Anti-Black Pogrom - the Zionist dream fulfilled


Is theJewish state becoming Klan country?



The article below needs little comment.  Although the author, Justine Raimondo, is a right-wing Republican, what he says is indisputable.  When Yehuda Bauer, the holocaust professor of Yad Vashem and the Hebrew University calls for an Evian Declaration, without even realising that they are accepting a comparison between the ugly Israeli racism in the videos below and what happened in Nazi Germany between 1933 and 1939.  Evian was a conference called by Roosevelt to solve the Jewish refugee problem in 1938 – it achieved very little and the ‘one bright spot’ the offer of Santo Domingo of 100,000 places to German Jews was actively opposed and fought by the Zionist movement for whom the idea of seeking sanctuary anywhere but Palestine negated the whole purpose of establishing a Jewish state.


I disagree with Justine Raimondo that this is a Jewish problem.  It is a Zionist problem, but since Israel calls itself the Jewish State it is unsurprising that many people accept it on its own terms.


This is the logic of Zionism.  The idea of the victims of racism fleeing to set up their own separate state, in alliance with colonialism, could only have one outcome.  It also did the work of the anti-Semites for them, accepting as it did that Jews didn’t belong where they lived.  What it proves is that any group of people, given the right set of circumstances, can be transformed from oppressed to oppressor.  In Israel, a Jewish society was formed, composed of different classes and it is inevitable that hostility to non-Jews, not just Palestinians, forms the glue that binds the ‘Jewish nation’.


No doubt Zionist leftists, who have long since become immune to any amount of racism and massacre, having committed enough themselves, will find a justification for Israel becoming a state of the Jewish KKK.


Tony Greenstein
African counter-demonstration in Tel Aviv

Anti-African mob
by Justin Raimondo, January 07, 2013 



A screaming mob of whites gathers in a public square, their placards proclaiming their hatred of blacks, their shouts of "N—-r!" reverberating and bouncing off the walls of nearby shops and homes like the ominous thunder of a coming storm. They loot shops that cater to blacks, and a prominent elected official is at the head of the mob, declaring that blacks are "a cancer" that must be eradicated.
Mississippi in the Sixties? A neo-Nazi rally? A Klan conclave? 
Aryeh Eldad of National Union/Strong Israel is part of a growing fascist movement in Israel
Michael Ben Ari - Knesset member for National Union - Jewish Home - rousing the mob

No, it’s a recent scene in southern Tel Aviv, Israel, where Likud member of the Knesset Miri Regev – a former IDF spokesperson and prominent political figure – led a well-organized march of ultra-nationalists demanding the expulsion of all blacks from Israel. Just look at the ugliness of these people – listen to them screaming "White Power"! And here are the Jewish Hitlers, proclaiming their desire to set up a "Jewish monarchy." A few extremists? No. Israel’s Interior Minister has pledged to ship all blacks back to Africa, and the issue of the African refugees has become the major issue in Israel’s election campaign.
looting a shop that serves Africans
Rising ultra-nationalist star Naftali Bennett, of the religious fundamentalist "Jewish Home" party, is demanding their immediate expulsion in order to preserve the "purity" of the Jewish state. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, for his part, has pledged to get rid of the Africans in short order, and ordered the construction of a "security fence" bordering the Sinai, where most of the refugees turn up seeking asylum from Africa’s wars.

They come from Sudan, Eritrea, and Ethiopia, for the most part, victims of the constant conflict that has made East Africa a bloody battlefield for many years. As Israel has made a concerted effort to boost arms sales to African nations, including Ethiopia, where many of the refugees come from, the influx can be seen as blowback – otherwise known as karma.
The face of Israeli fascism
Israel has a longstanding military connection to Ethiopia: ever since the 1970s, when the genocidal Derg took power in Addis Ababa, Israel has been intimately involved with the Ethiopian military, providing training, weapons, advanced aircraft, and direct subsidies, which the government used to battle regional insurgents. The main target was the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front (EPLF), which fought a bitter 30-year war of independence against the Ethiopians. Israel’s main interest in this, aside from the arms sales, was to secure control over Eritrea’s strategically important Red Sea shoreline. In 1991, Eritrea finally won its independence, yet there was but a short breather before the two sides started up again. The Israeli arms pipeline has fueled the conflict, along with generous US aid to the late Ethiopian tyrant Meles Zenawi, so beloved by Susan Rice.
The mob gathers, mainly religious Zionists (see the kippahs on their heads) - from victims to perpetrators of pogroms
There are 20,000 of these "infiltrators," as the anti-African demagogues call them, and that they have showed up on Israel’s doorstep is not just karmic, is it also geographic: Israel is the closest country with any promise of providing them with work, and they are often invited in by Israeli employers, who cannot find enough people to do menial jobs. Israel’s growing ultra-nationalist movement finds in them a convenient target, and a politically promising issue. Violence against the refugees is on the upswing: last year, 20-year-old Haim Mula was arrested for firebombing an orphanage for very young African children: he got off practically scot-free with a three-month plea bargained sentence.
Far from being considered a criminal and a pariah, young Haim might well run for the Knesset – because he has the Israeli people with him, particularly the young people who are flocking to the banner of "Jewish Home."
One of the mob - no arrests were made
This is what is so disturbing about recent events in Israel, where outright anti-Arab racism has long been tolerated and even encouraged by the government and religious authorities. Instead of denouncing and isolating the anti-black hate-mongers, Israel’s elites are defending and succoring them. A recent declaration initiated by Professor Rafael Medoff, director of the David S. Wyman Institute for Holocaust Studies in Washington, D.C., and Professor Yehuda Bauer of the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, calls for "a world solution for a world problem."
In other words: it’s not our problem. Medoff says other countries "have more room, and they have more resources. Israel has been taking a beating in the international press for how it treats the refugees, but never has there been any suggestion in these reports that maybe other countries should be lending a hand."
Africans trapped in carby Zionist mob
Gee, that’s funny, but the US has never asked for help from other countries in dealing with the millions of political and economic refugees who have sought asylum and work here. Neither have the small European countries which today find themselves playing host to numerous migrants from less fortunate areas of the world. Perhaps because to do so would be in somewhat dubious taste – but apparently such considerations don’t come into play where Israel’s professional apologists are concerned. And naturally we do not hear one word out of their mouths about the orgy of hate the African presence in Israel has aroused – not only do they not condemn it, they don’t even mention it.
To top it off, Messrs Medoff and Bauer have named their initiative, which takes the form of a petition to the world’s governments, "The Evian Declaration," timing it to "coincide with the 75th anniversary of the Evian conference, when nations around the world turned their back on Europe’s Jewish refugees," as Ha’aretz put it.
The Evian Conference was called in the summer of 1938, as Hitler’s assault on the Jews took on horrific dimensions and they tried desperately to flee. While the conference did little to provide these refugees with realistic options, US and British immigration quotas were somewhat relaxed, with some others following suit (the Dominican Republic offered to take 100,000, but only 800 actually went). However, the refugee problem was on such a large scale that this hardly made a dent.
For Medoff and Bauer to invoke the Evian episode in this context simply underscores the tone-deafness of Israel’s apologists: by effectively saying it is "everyone’s problem" – and no one’s – they are merely replicating the tragedy of that affair.

Israel was itself conceived as a home for the homeless, a refuge for those who had been refugees in their own lands and driven into exile by war and the world’s animus. How they can now turn around and say "Not our problem" defies explanation. That they dare to say it out loud is proof – if more were needed – that Israeli society has gone more than a little crazy.
After all, these two distinguished professors are liberals – they aren’t joining the neo-Kahanists in the streets, firebombing orphanages and calling for "N—–s Out!" They are merely trying to cover for them, to make the world avert its eyes as hate explodes like a ripe boil on the Israeli body politic, exuding its poisons into the organs the Jewish state.
It’s the world’s problem? No, it isn’t. The hate that is erupting in the Jewish state is a Jewish problem, one that has yet to be acknowledged, let alone confronted, by Jewish leaders worldwide. I have not heard a single word about this from the so-called "Anti-Defamation League," and its usually vociferous chief honcho, Abe Foxman, who seems to have an opinion about anything and everything, but is strangely silent on the defamation of Africans in Israel. As blacks in Israel find themselves beset by racist mobs, where is the American Jewish Committee, and all the other organizations that were important allies of the early black civil rights movement in this country – where are they now that the Bull Connors and the George Wallaces are Israeli?

They’re too busy trying to scuttle the nomination of Chuck Hagel to head up the Department of Defense to bother with speaking to the deepest values of the Jewish people and speaking out against a monstrous injustice. They’re too busy retailing the most contemptible smears against a patriotic American, who refuses to kowtow to a powerful lobby, to even acknowledge that crimes are being committed in their name and with our tax dollars. Even as I write this, detention camps – camps! – are being built with US "foreign aid" taxpayer dollars to house the "infiltrators" so they can be shipped back to Africa, often to a certain death.

It sickens me to write this. To gaze on an hypocrisy so immense, so brazen, so antithetical to everything the Jewish people have stood for historically, and to say nothing – the enormity of this kind of betrayal is simply breathtaking.

I have just one thing to say to Abe Foxman, and all the self-appointed Jewish "leaders" who arrogate to themselves the prerogative of vetting US government officials – when are you going to start vetting Israeli government officials as they whip up racist hysteria and carry out an anti-African pogrom?

I can answer this question for myself, because the answer is: never. It isn’t considered kosher to air the Jewish state’s dirty laundry in public. There is a big problem with this strategy, however: sooner or later the stench gets so bad that one can’t help but smell it.

Of course the precedent for all this is the virulent anti-Arab racism now pervasive in Israeli society, as a recent survey showed. To take just one rather vivid example: the Beitar football team has become a rallying point for swarming ultra-nationalist thugs, who beat up Israeli Arabs and engage in regular provocations against anyone deemed "alien" to the Jewish character of the state. In March of last year hundreds of them went on a rampage at a shopping mall in Jerusalem, beating Arab men, women, and children, and destroying Arab stores. Not a single arrest was made, nor was anybody charged. It’s open season on non-Jews in Israel, and no one should be surprised that blacks are now the target.
Once the American people wake up to what is going on, the much-touted support for Israel claimed by its partisans in this country will evaporate. That’s one reason why these same Jewish mis-"leaders" who are staying silent about the anti-African campaign are now voicing their "concern" that Al Jazeera, the Arab-based television network, will take over the niche once occupied by Al Gore’s "Current TV." The Arab network has been regularly exposing the rising tide of anti-African hate now at the epicenter of Israeli politics, as well as more familiar depredations aimed at the Palestinians. The last thing the Israel lobby wants is footage of the Israeli equivalent of the KKK on American national television.

How will members of the congressional Black Caucus justify voting for billions in aid to Israel in the face of live news reports of howling Israeli mobs screaming hatred for Africans? Can the country that elected Barack Obama continue to have a "special relationship" with a nation that has turned into the Middle East equivalent of Klan Kountry? I think not.

The fatal blow to the Jewish state, however, will be the rupturing of its relationship with American Jewry, which, in spite of the vociferous dissent of some noisome neoconservatives, has a long tradition of liberalism. This noble legacy of tolerance and support for the underdog is now coming into open conflict with the newer tradition of unconditional support to the Israeli government of the moment – and, by their silence, the leaders of major Jewish organizations hope the problem will be swept under the rug, and somehow go away.

This is a very big mistake. Israeli society is going over a cliff, and the Jewish state’s political class is hastening rather than impeding the slide into a moral abyss. There is no way to cover up this crisis, because it has very visible political – and human – consequences. We are seeing this being played out in the Israeli election campaign, where the crazies are gaining momentum and sanity is in very short supply.

How many young American and European Jews will want to make aliyah to a country where blacks are demonized as disease-ridden criminals and automatically deported? How many Jews will want to express their solidarity with a Jewish state where racism is acceptable and the bullied have turned into the bullies? My guess: not many.

21 comments:

  1. Whilst on the subject of racism against black people, what are your thoughts on Obama bowing down to the king of Saudi Arabia?

    http://oopscaliphate.blogspot.com/2013/01/obama-finally-reveals-his-attitude.html

    The Saudis of course import girls as young as 5 for their perverted of enjoyment.

    And what do you think about Egypt which kills black people who cross its territory?

    You talk of racism against black people, terrible IF what you say is true but why don't you mention slavery in Mauretania? Or the Libyans who made black people eat green flags last year as well as beating them.
    Do I smell hypocrisy, a determination to demonise Israel?

    Indeed, do you know of anything good about Israel, anything at all?

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  2. Whilst on the subject of racism against black people, what are your thoughts on Obama bowing down to the king of Saudi Arabia?

    http://oopscaliphate.blogspot.com/2013/01/obama-finally-reveals-his-attitude.html

    The Saudis of course import girls as young as 5 for their perverted of enjoyment.

    And what do you think about Egypt which kills black people who cross its territory?

    You talk of racism against black people, terrible IF what you say is true but why don't you mention slavery in Mauretania? Or the Libyans who made black people eat green flags last year as well as beating them.
    Do I smell hypocrisy, a determination to demonise Israel?

    Indeed, do you know of anything good about Israel, anything at all?

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  3. Well Saudia Arabia was the creation of Standard Oil/Aramco and the United States. Just so happens the USA is Israel's main supporter. Any connection in your vacuous mind between these 2 phenomenon? Imperialism?

    Well if Egypt kills Black people crossing its territory it should be criticised, but Israel was founded allegedly as a haven for refugees and for this kind of racist anti-Black movement to develop in Israel (I haven't heard of s similar phenonmenon in Egypt because the military are not a movement).

    You say IF. There is no if. It is a matter of record that Eli Yishai, the Interior Minister and the MKs featured have made extremely racist statements about Black 'infiltrators' with all the usual stereotypes.

    You also forget in your comparisons that Israel is a major western-style state whereas Arab countries are under-developed, often deliberately so, with autocratic regimes the West has helped into power, or articial states like Kuwait, there to preserve the West's control of oil. Israel is the watchdog, part of the source of the problem.

    Hence my criticism.

    Anything good about Israel? Yes, those Jews who have the integrity to oppose Zionism and what it does to those whose land it occupies and of course its own indigenous Arab citizens. I don't suppose the idea of questioning all your racist assumptions is something you are capable of. Instead steretypes about child brides (didn't Abraham indulge in the same?)

    Whilst on the subject of racism against black people, what are your thoughts on Obama bowing down to the king of Saudi Arabia?

    http://oopscaliphate.blogspot.com/2013/01/obama-finally-reveals-his-attitude.html

    The Saudis of course import girls as young as 5 for their perverted of enjoyment.

    And what do you think about Egypt which kills black people who cross its territory?

    You talk of racism against black people, terrible IF what you say is true but why don't you mention slavery in Mauretania? Or the Libyans who made black people eat green flags last year as well as beating them.
    Do I smell hypocrisy, a determination to demonise Israel?

    Indeed, do you know of anything good about Israel, anything at all?

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  4. Tony: I got news for you the "progressives" in the US and Europe who support Israel have never been friend's of Africans. Look at the silence over French neo-colonialism in Africa which is now being expressed by bombing Mali. The "progressive" Obama administration is falling all over itself trying to find a way around US laws so it can aid the French neo-colonialists.

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  5. "Israel was founded allegedly as a haven for refugees".......
    What Bulllllllll
    quote......

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  6. Well Ben Gurion and all the founders of the Israeli state did indeed say that Israel was founded as a haven for Jews against anti-Semitism. It's untrue or bullshit but that's what they said. It's not what I believe.

    As regards Mali, of course I condemn that attack of French imperialism supported by logistical and other support from the USA, Britain, Denmark etc.

    However I don't support the Islamist rebels either who are sectarian in the extreme, not supported by indigenous Mali society or those whose towns they have conquered where they have introduced another form of dictatorship with 'sharia law' as the justification. I suggest you read the Guardian report today of the welcome French troops have received to see that their's is not a national liberation problem.

    That is however one of the consequences of the confessionalisation of the opposition to the USA as one can see with the present Shi'ite administration in Iraq.

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  7. Anon is of the school of thought that when you criticise Israel you’ve to criticise every other case of racism too. That would makes some sense (but not much) if the Anonzionists somehow practiced what they preach but of course they don’t.

    The level of racism in Israel is reaching shocking levels. But it hardly surprises me: who in Europe calls for ethnic cleansing and a return to ethnoreligious ‘Nation’ states? The fascistoid racist Far Right. Same in the Zionist Entity.

    If the head imbecile of the BNP appears on QT, we have a national debate and much outrage about it: in Israel they elect far worse into the Knesset and into government. But you won’t hear a peep about that in our news… Demonisation my arse.

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  8. Yes that's absolutely right. If you criticise Israel but not every other state then you are anti-Semitic too!

    No doubt those who obsessed about the Nazis in 1933 (and it wasn't the Zionists who were agreeing trade deals with them!) would have been anti-German by the same 'logic'.

    The reality is that the levels of racism are not only far higher in Israel than any other state in the world, but it is sanctioned at the highest levels. Aroob Khan would have been kicked out of Likud. Michael Ben Ari would have been proposed for rejection along with his national union and Aryeh Eldad (who just loves meeting fellow European fascists) by the Elections Committee instead of trying to ban Hanan Zoabi of Balad.

    Instead Michael ben Ari was a member of the Elections Committee of the Knesset!

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  9. "Well Ben Gurion and all the founders of the Israeli state did indeed say that Israel was founded as a haven for Jews".....
    wow what a correction..... you are realy inteligent, you think poeple are fool to accept your quote that "Israel was founded allegedly as a haven for refugees ".....
    meaning any refugee world wide.... while suddenly you narrow it to JEWS......
    You are getting better everyday.

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  10. Gert
    "The level of racism in Israel is reaching shocking levels."...... but yet they still come and come..... not to Egypt or Jordan or Lebanon or Your place.....
    So you and all the others gut to be much more racist.... as why should they come to a place they know is so racist........

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  11. "If you criticise Israel but not every other state then you are anti-Semitic too!


    Tony, you are not called Antisemite because you criticise Israel, but because you are a racist and hate Jews

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  12. Eldad is also the proud daddy of Karni Eldad who not so long ago compared herself to Rosa Parks! Even by Mad Mel Phlips’ standards that’s a pretty upside down worldview…

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  13. Nick:

    ”Tony, you are not called Antisemite because you criticise Israel, but because you are a racist and hate Jews”

    No Nick: you smear TG with the AS word because he criticises Israel. That is the fate that befalls almost everyone who does. TG is just one of many.

    Anon:

    "The level of racism in Israel is reaching shocking levels."...... but yet they still come and come..... not to Egypt or Jordan or Lebanon or Your place.....
    So you and all the others gut to be much more racist.... as why should they come to a place they know is so racist........”



    Those who ‘come’ are Jewish and not subject to that kind of racism, so they don’t have to care about that. And much of that racism is not shown in the media, so it's relatively little known. And many of the more recent arrivals are deeply racist too, see e.g. Lieberman.

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  14. This post seems to have touched a raw nerve among the more stupid Zionists (if there is such a thing!).

    I would have thought it obvious that if I said the Zionist movement's excuse for founding Israel as a refuge, then it would have been obvious except to a nitpicker that Jewish was taken for granted.

    Except of course it wasn't founded for that purpose, but to preserve 'the Jewish people/race' as only on 'national' land could the 'new Jew' arise. Hence why Ben Gurion and others argued that the priority in WWII was the preservation of the Jewish State to be, the Yishuv, over and above the holocaust and that is why Zionists sought to divert relief monies intended for the Jews under Nazi occupation (food and little things like that) to Palestine.

    It is why the only efforts they made to save Jews were their own chalutzim, and not even many of them. That was what the major debate over the lethargy of Yitzhak Greenbaum's 'Rescue' Committee at the Jewish Agency was about. (see S Beit-Zvi, Zionism in the Crucible of the Holocaust - Ugandan Zionism).

    But I suspect my Zionist readers don't have a clue about any of this because all they read are the latest Mark Regev outpourings.

    Anonymous (& well he might be given the depths of his stupidity and chauvinism/racism) says well they come to Israel, so it can't be racist. Maybe they come because it is rightly seen as a Western state, or they've believed Israeli propaganda like the Zionist contributors here.

    And when you are a refugee you hold out hope and often know little or nothing about the racism of the state you are seeking to get to. That is true of refugees to Britain too and the racism they experience, but whereas in Britain such racism is confined to the margins and the gutter Tory press and doesn't manifest itself in pogroms, in Israel it does.

    Every year thousands of asylum seekers are given refugee status or indefinite leave to remain in Britain (& unfortunately too many are deported). In Israel, under Interior Minister Eli Yishai, just one refugee was accepted in the whole of last year. It's no wonder that the British National Party, a neo-Nazi party that denies there was a holocaust (but supports Israel!) was over the moon in its praise of Yishai and only wished Britain could emulate him. Indeed they are positively salivating at the prospect of a concentration camp in the Negev desert for the refugees 'infiltrators' as they are called to insinuate that they are really terrorists. http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/israel-%E2%80%98protect-its-jewish-nature%E2%80%99-building-concentration-camp-10000-african-%E2%80%9Cinfiltrators%E2%80%9D

    Such nice fans that Israel has now. What with neo-Nazis being invited to meet Likud and other MKs and pose for photos outside the propaganda holocaust museum Yad Vashem and people like Michal Kaminski, a far-right Euro MP was the the 'Freedom & Justice' Party in Poland, who opposes any Polish apology for the massacre at Jedwabne where hundreds of Polish Jews were burnt alive, Israel is certainly a 'light unto the nations'!!

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  15. But the prize for fool of the day or week surely goes to Thick Nick.

    He writes:
    'Tony, you are not called Antisemite because you criticise Israel, but because you are a racist and hate Jews.'

    Ah so I am called an anti-Semite because I'm a racist and hate Jews. That's what is called a circular argument. You assert that which you are vainly trying to prove. But the fact is that I don't hate Jews, I hate Zionism. 'Nick' couldn't even provide a scintilla of evidence, such is the nature of a Zionist idiot. As a long-standing anti-fascist and anti-racist, I cannot see why I should criticise all other forms of racism but except Zionism and its bastard offspring, Israel, from what I have to say.

    And so Zionists move from one desperate argument to another, convincing no one in the process, because of course all critics of Israel and Zionism are, by definition, 'anti-Semitic'. Well if they are it's not a form of anti-Semitism most people understand. I always thought it was the Zionists who in the words of Herzl 'pardoned' anti-Semitism, sought them out as friends and tried to collaborate with them, yea even including the Nazis.

    But Thick Nick knows otherwise.

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  16. Thick Nick and his pseudonym, Ed, have posted a couple more comments on the lines of their contributions above. They merely consist of 'you are anti-semitic because we say you are'. Since they are unable to substantiate their allegations of anti-Semitism, since that is, of course impossible, they do not attempt it.

    I have no intention of allowing abusive Zionists to post their foul mouthed utterings and then refuse to explain why they accuse anti-racists of racism, especially when they defend the racist Israeli state and live and breathe racism.

    Their comments are therefore being treated as spam and in any event, unless they post a link with their name(s) to prove that they have some genuine existence they can go post elsewhere

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  17. You'd have thought that with all these Zionist numbskulls around we would have won a long time ago. Unfortunately you can't fight irrationality with reason.

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  18. You'd have thought that with all these Zionist numbskulls around we would have won a long time ago.
    Won what you idiots.

    Just shows you that you and your psycho Gert are living in LALA land.
    Even medication want help in your case.

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  19. I thought Gert's comment was perfectly understandable. Won support for the overthrow of the Israeli state, for the end to the repression of the Palestinians. Is that not obvious?

    But of course Zionism and Israel's strength derives from power relations not logic or persuasion.

    Your last comment is offensive but to be expected from a Zionist. It's interesting that Andy argues what was the Stalinist position that if you disagree with me then you are mad and need medication. In the Soviet Union and elsewhere they put dissidents in asylums and psychiatric wards. Clearly Andy agrees with that practice (or he has nothing to say or both).

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  20. "I disagree with Justine Raimondo that this is a Jewish problem. It is a Zionist problem, but since Israel calls itself the Jewish State it is unsurprising that many people accept it on its own terms."

    It's the perfect arrangement for Zionists; Zionism does the crime, Judaism does the time.
    And it suits anti-Semites well, too.

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  21. ”Tony, you are not called Antisemite because you criticise Israel, but because you are a racist and hate Jews”

    Wow, for a guy named "Tony Greenstein" that could cause all kinds problems, you know? Always being accepted into the club he doesn't want to be a member of, if you get my drift.

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