Gilad Ratzmon and Paul Eisen Abandon Shiphat tip to Mark Elf
|The Death Throes of DeLiberation - the anti-Semitic Pro-Palestine site|
All the old Atzmonites were there – Eisen, Roy Bard (Free the Peeps), Laura Stuart, FCL and of course our old friend Gilad Atzmon himself.
Alas the site has lasted little more than 6 months before degenerating into a most appalling sectarian bickering and name calling. It seems that the anti-Semites can’t agree among themselves.
‘Deliberation has effectively become a mouthpiece for fanatical Shiite radicals embracing tyrannical regimes in Damascus and Tehran.’Khalid Amayreh, although not a contributor as I erroneously said, is a regular contributor to deLiberation and as his comments below his article Those living by the sword shall die by the sword
Deliberation Should not have reached this point. This is the views of the founders of the site.
make clear he is a vile racist and mysoginist. An example of this is the following comment which I publish holding my nose:
(Alex) at least I know my father, and his father, and all my ancestors for the past 500 years.
Unlike me, most Shiites don’t know their fathers, because their mothers slept with hundreds of men in order to desreve the good company of Zaynab and Zahra in the hereafter.
In Baghdada, and Also in Iran, Obstetric & Gynecology Wards summon tens of men for DNA tests to know who is the boy’s mother.
In Mashhad, Iran, an Iranian girle sells herself for five dollars an hour. If she sleeps with 20 men, she makes a hundred dollars.
In Yemen, they send trucks packed with shiite girls to the mountains so that the houthi fighters could get rid of their dirty waters. And the next night, they are sent to another group of fighters, and so on annd so fourth. And so and so frth.
In Baghdad, most of the Shiite temples, the Husseinya, have been transformed into prostitution houses where a given girl has multiple husbands in less than 24 hours. And if they get pregnant, the child is named Abdul Hussein, Abdul Mahdi, etc.
And accorsig to the Shiite of Iblis, such whores will be the first to go to heaven on the day of judgment. Even Ayatullah Sistani, the highest ranking clergyman in Iraq, doesn’t know his father because his mother slept with so many men.
I am sorry to put you head down an d to diagrace you, but sometimes one has to say what one has to say. Remember you house is of glass and I am preparing for you a lot of surprises exposing your promiscuous cult.
|Well might our Laura ask!|
They all agreed on the wickedness of the Jewish anti-Zionists and their compatriots and supporters, as well as secular Palestinian comrades like Ali Abunimah and the Angry Arab blogger. What they couldn’t do was define a role for themselves because they had foresworn any analysis that could bind them together.
For Atzmon himself anti-Zionist is itself a form of Zionism! For Paul Eisen, attacking the factual basis of the holocaust was a precondition for any opposition to Israel. For Laura Stuart, who triggered the crisis, when she sent the editor/moderator Jonathan Blakeney an e-mail which he published, everything begins from the most medieval interpretation of Islam. I’ve only met her once but someone who dresses from head to toe in a burka/niqab is hardly going to be in favour of liberating anyone when she can’t begin the process herself.
And just to make it clear, I’m not at all opposed to the Islamic religion anymore than I’m opposed to Judaism or Christianity. But I will oppose and critique all religious practices. Jewish women in Mea Sharim in Jerusalem also cover themselves with a veil, it is not unique to Islam, and this practice owes more to tribalism and men’s oppression of women than Islam anyway.
To the end Paul Eisen found the Jewish hand in all the setbacks, much like Hitler blamed the last world war on Jewish aggrandisement and machinations rather than his invasion of Poland and Czechoslovakia:
Jonathon Blakeney, the semi-sensible editor of this lunatic sight reported the sad (?) news that
‘I have been told that Gilad Atzmon and Paul Eisen are leaving deLiberation.'
Of course this is not the first time that Atzmon's site has collapsed. There was the Palestine Thinktank setup up with Mary Rizzo, after the Peace Palestine site collapsed. On that occasion Mary, who has been almost totally silent, accused Atzmon of consorting with Israeli informers as well as being an out and out mysogynist.
Apparently my un-ethical and illegal use of emails is partly to blame. LOL :-) Although stricly speaking it is not illegal.
To which the appropriately named ‘fool me once’ (surely more than once?) repeated his masters voice saying that ‘A lot of people will find that very disappointing.’
|Paul Eisen - Holocaust Denier Eminent Grise|
|Even Ariadna ticks off Eisen for his anti-Semitism|
Eisen informed people that
‘I’m no longer an Editor because I cannot fit in with the current editorial style and practices.'
Apparently it was not Goebbels enough for him. But in any case:
BTW, I’ve only been an Editor for a total of about 4 weeks. I was an Editor for about 2 weeks at the beginning, and then I was removed. Then, about 2 weeks ago, they asked me to lend a hand with all the workload.’
The site editor, Jonathan Blakeney presumably then wrote that
‘Despite Eisen and Gilad jumping ship just as we getting really popular, we are not going to let that stop the deLiberation website.’
Popular? Hardly. Influential? Not at all.
But he says that ‘if nothing else we can all agree that we learnt a lot in the process.’
That is the problem. Nothing has been learnt.
The immediate trigger is the revolution in Syria which I’ve commented about yesterday. In may view the West has successfully subverted the process. It is no longer a popular revolution against the Assad regime.
Yet the contributors to DeLiberation, having based their analysis on Palestine on being Jewish or not Jewish could not then have any grasp of what is happening in Syria. How is it that a regime that is supported by Sunnis is also supported by the Shi’ite Tehran regime and Nasrallah, the Shi’ite leader of Lebanon’s Druze. Surely the Jews don’t control them too?
The answer of course is simple. Hezbollah relied on the Syrian regime to pass on the weaponry that Iran supplied, which in turn deterred Israel. It was based not on religion but realpolitik. Just as Pope Alexander XIII supported the Protestants against the Catholics at the Battle of the Boyne in Ireland in July 1690 so the leaders of the main currents within Islam take their positions based on today’s politics, not the Quoran.
If they had had their wits about them then the DeLiberationists would have noticed how the USA was able to successfully create sectarian divisions with murderous consequences in Iraq. And how Al Quaeda, an American creation, played the role of fascist murderers in this process, deliberately targeting the Shi’ite of Baghdad in particular.
Politics, class politics, seeing reality as it is, analysing the actions of regimes in terms of interests – political and class – is the only way of understanding what is happening in Syria today. Instead DeLiberation got sucked into the quagmire of sectarian divisions between Sunni, Alawite, Shi’ite and all the rest.
I don’t mourn the imminent death of this site but I do mourn those who will continue to follow sectarian paths rather than seeing that Zionism was a political creation. It used being Jewish as its mask, its badge but underneath what matters are the economic and political interests of the West and US imperialism.
This is the lesson from DeLiberation. Forget the reverse racism, the ethnic divisions, concentrate on who pays who what. Follow the money and oil. As for Syria, the catalyst in this debacle, we face a western sponsored armed insurrection that will be no better than Assad. The popular revolution has been militarised and now those who opposed Assad in the streets, women who don’t want to wear the niqab/burka are opposed to what is happening.